NSW - John SMITH married Ann DUMVILLE - Why that name!!

[alan_t]

I'm looking to find descendants of this ancestor by marriage.

He was a convict (don't know which transportation ship he was on; nor why he was transported - but would be interested to find out).

All I know is that he married my wife's ancestor Ann Dumville at St Phillips Church in Sydney on 31 Oct 1836.  She was not a convict so they were allowed to marry apparently.  Cannot find parish records for this church online. Exceedingly difficult to perform any searches on the couple in any respect because of his common surname and her common first name!

Looking to find out whether they had any children, what their names and DOBs were, marriage dates, etc. 

Any info would be gratefully appreciated, tho' I understand that the SMITH factor complicates efforts.

Many thanks
Alan

[jamison]

Alan

Do you know the names of Ann`s parents !!!

Jamison

[alan_t]

Hi

Her parents were Phoebe DUMVILLE (convict) and Charles DUMVILLE (who stayed behind in England with the couple's other children after his wife's conviction).  See previous rootschat link for information on her illustrious mother: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,477672.0.html

I should also add that another member gave the following marriage details for John & Ann Smith:

Marriage St Phillips Sydney C of E 1836

John SMITH to Ann DUMVILLE
#V183656 20

Hope this helps and thanks for responding so quickly.

Alan

[jamison]

Alan

Then you know these two web sites

http://www.genejeannie.net/familygroups/fam729.html



http://www.rootsweb.comhttp://  = Catherine Dumville - husband - James Grote.

Jamison

[alan_t]

Hi Jamison

Yes, I am aware of the Phoebe DUMVILLE and Catherine DUMVILLE information you highlight.  It's Ann DUMVILLE we're having difficulty with - especially since she married a John SMITH, of all names!

We're trying to establish whether she stayed in Australia with John Smith and whether they had any children.  We're assuming that they stayed in NSW and that any subsequent christenings / baptisms took place in the St Phillips parish.  That's merely an assumption, mind!

Thanks again
Alan

[jamison]

Sorrry was not much help then !!!

[Dundee]

Hi Alan,

All convicts required permission from the Governor to marry if they were still serving their sentence regardless of which party was the convict.

Applied August 1836
Permission granted in October

John SMITH, 28, (Ship) Sesostris, (Sentence) Life, holding a ticket of leave, stated single
Ann DUMVILLE, 22, (Ship) Roslyn Castle, Came Free, stated single

Married by Clergyman William COWPER at Sydney

The NSW archives have records relating to John SMITH. There appear to have been two John SMITHs on the Sesostris.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-2
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online

Debra 

[Billyblue]

Hi Alan
NSW BDM online lists 24 births with parents John and Ann Smith 1836-1856. Because these are pre-civil registration (started 1856 NSW) no districts are noted.

Looked for death 1836-1876 of Ann Smith with parents Charles and Phoebe, no luck.
Removed Phoebe, found 3 - two of which have no mother's name
10679/1875  SMITH  ANN  CHARLES  UNKNOWN  YOUNG     
4574/1864  SMITH  ANN  CHARLES  DIED MOULAMEIN  MOULAMEIN     
3414/1873  SMITH  ANN  CHARLES  ANN  BOMBALA   

Looked again with mother Phoebe & no father named - no luck.

You probably won't find St Phillip's parish records online because they were given to the Reg General and are 'findable' on the V series films.  St. Phillips (in case you didn't know) was the first C/E church in Australia, original built c1820, rebuilt 1856 - nice pic as it is today, on http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/ROC/ROC21.htm
Dawn M

[Wiggy]

You probably won't find St Phillip's parish records online because they were given to the Reg General and are 'findable' on the V series films.  St. Phillips (in case you didn't know) was the first C/E church in Australia, original built c1820, rebuilt 1856 - nice pic as it is today, on http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/ROC/ROC21.htm

There were much earlier registrations for St Phillips though - presumable at a much older more primitive building.  (Just for interest)

Wiggy