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We dont have any Cornish 27900,it is a unique Welsh marker as far as I can see (at least, almost all the associated surnames are Welsh). From the SNP count it looks to me as if it has been in Wales at least pre-Roman.

However there is a very large subgroup of Welshmen who have not yet tested and who do in fact date back to maybe 1000 AD or so. We know this because a Welsh autosomal member of our CORNWALL group has more than 100 Y-67 matches, all Welsh names. A few Big Y's in the group might let us target a common TMRCA; as I dont think STRs are very accurate. once you get out that far.

The multi-values STRs change quite quickly, so there are bound to be a few lines of S27900 with different #DYS392 

I dont know if anyone still sees this site - but we  have found a trove of Beechworth Pemberton and Tindall photos.They are on
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133540890@N07/sets/72157675238032301

also  the Coad book has something about these Pembertons - specifically  the passages above
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/coad

Joe Flood

Thanks Jenn. Buggy websites aside:

I see that I have actually put up two trees of the family on rootsweb, they come up top if you google "Edward James Elgin Coade" but not if you google  Pemberton, as they are too old now. They were the first trees I put up there, so they are getting rather dated. They were never too strong on Pemberton, as it was not their main focus - which was "Coades of Praze-an-Beeble and Beechworth".

Ted (E J E) and Mary Coade my ggps are in the front of the picture I posted. Mary was the evil genius of the family. Her stepfather Robert Tindale is behind with (Doris I)rene my gm on his knee, and his three daughters are to the left. Daisy is the only Pemberton there - but it does show she was in Perth 1904, two years after her mother the much-married Blanche Nicholls died.

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There has always been some debate on which hotel in Beechworth Walter Pemberton owned - my family always swore that Ted Coade had been brought up in the Star Hotel - however the following settles it ( book exerpt):

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At any rate Thomas and Blanche, heedless of the 37 year age gap, settled down in Beechworth with their new son Edward Elgin Coade.  Six years later Thomas died. His estate was fairly modest - Cash £50, property $53, debt Lloyd’s Bank £27. Costs of admin £26, funeral £16, balance £34

Blanche, being appreciative of the virtues of older men, married in the same year 1874 her elder sister’s father in law, the widower Walter Pemberton, a youngster only 27 years her senior. Walter was a blacksmith and wheelwright, and held a publican’s licence for the Nicholas Hotel  in Beechworth which in a gold mining town should have been a licence to print money. The hotel was built in 1857 and known at that time as the Railway Hotel. A forge in the hotel yard is reputedly the place where Joe Byrne of the Kelly Gang had his armour made. Ned Kelly’s bare-knuckle fight with Isaiah “Wild Wright” was held in the year of their marriage, and the site backs onto the hotel. In the family is a pewter mug from the hotel, from which Ned, Australia’s most famous bushranger and a national icon, is alleged to have drunk.

With Pemberton, Blanche had four more children – and young Ted Coade was brought up in the atmosphere of a noisy gold rush hotel. Walter died more than twenty years later in 1895, with their youngest child only 2 years old. The following year, not being partial to the company of men her own age, Blanche married her son’s best friend, Machin Tomlinson, 13 years her junior. The hotel had not been Blanche’s fortune: when she died in 1902 at the age of 50 she was put to rest in an unmarked pauper’s grave.

This site is a pain - if you try to answer someone it makes you log in, then it takes you far away - it has taken me 20 minutes to find my way back.

It is not often I see people chatting about my grandmother and great grandparents, usually I am chatting about theirs. You can see the full family tree of the COADEs and PEMBERTONs up on worldconnect, database "dorothyhewett", where it has been for five years. It has most of this information, plus a lot more. I thought the "Elgin" came from the British composer, but perhaps not.

 The full story of Blanche Nicholls, Edward Coade, Mary Tindale and their rise from rags to riches appears in my forthcoming book "Unravelling  the CODE: The Coads and Coodes of Cornwall and Devon".

Louise I have had a chance to talk to my aunt and they didnt take in the Pemberton children. I have a couple of pictures of Daisy Pemberton as a young woman in crowd scenes - seems she was friendly with the Tindales. I have been told Daisy is up the back with the "split enz" hair. Rene looks about 7 so it must be around 1903