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« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 07:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
 Here are a few PO and other entries for the Mansfields.  Interesting, but not really helpful.
 1856 electoral roll JOEL MANSFIELD, Boroondara Division ( this covers Kew and surrounding suburbs) Bricklayer.  Freehold house and land.

1862 Sands McDougal. JOEL MANSFIELD Carpenter . Stanley Sreet West Melbourne.  He is the only entry for that year.

1868 - The marriage year -Sands McD. JOEL MANSFIELD carpenter 69 Stanley Street West Melbourne.

J. Mansfield, Builder. FITZWILLIAM STREET, KEW.

Henry Mansfield Andrew Street Prahran.

Mrs Mansfield 131 Moor Street F.

Mansfield W. Builder, Kew.

Fitzwilliam Street is a leafy pleasant street with some large blocks.  No street number was listed.
Sue   
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« Reply #55 on: Saturday 12 November 05 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

Went to the Public Records Office today.  Found the following:-

Probate Index
Thomas Albon Footscray Storekeeper died 27/12/1872 probate granted 2/4/1885 Joel Mansfield (Reserving Leave) Ref: 30/30

Phoebe Wearing Footscray Widow died 27/2/1885 probate granted 14/5/1885
G B Little Ref: 29/652

Richard William Wearing Footscray Carpenter died 17/5/1884 Letters of Adiministration Probate granted 24/6/1884 Richard R Wearing Ref: 27/830

Thomas' will may prove interesting. 

Cheers
Genni

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« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ratty,
This may interest you for further 'will enquiry'

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc/wills.htm

Choose Victoria.

Sue
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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi All, As I mentioned in a previous post, I emailed the Footscray Hist. Society re. a reference to Thomas Albon in a local history book.

They have got back to me today saying that they have 'a wealth of information ' on him.  Unfortunately none of it was revealed in the email,  ::)other than to say that the reference in that book is just a listing of lands held by him!
The term 'lands' may be a clue to why there may have been difficulties with the Will's execution.
 
I have sent a PM to you Ratty with the details if you want to follow up, though I think the historian was getting in touch with you too.   Sue
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« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone
I promise I haven't been ignoring you, but I've been without an internet connection for four days!!!  Talk about feeling lost.  As Sue said the historical society did contact me but al they told me was to get in touch with Sue!  The message they sent her talks about a wealth of information but no indication as to how much a 'wealth' is...think it could be worth the $20 research fee but there are copying cost on top so I don't know how much that would be.  They also give the address of a relation to John Monk, Sarah Ann Albon's first husband...think it would be worth dropping him a line.
Interesting info Genni...I'll check the link out Sue.
Donna
ALBONE - Bedfordshire and Medina area, New York State, USA, SAMUELS - Bedfordshire, COTTINGHAM - Huntingdonshire and Leicerstershire, CLAY - Huntingdonshire and Northamptonshire, ASPITAL - Northamptonshire, SMITH, RATCLIFF - Staffordshire, BERESFORD - Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, WHYLER Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, VINE- Kent and Sussex, BUTLER - Norfolk, GEORGE - Norfolk and Northumberland, JOHNSON in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Donna,
I can't believe that I didn't regognize the Monk name immediately.  I kept thinking I've heard it before somewhere.  Too tangled a web!

We may be lucky and discover that Dr. Monk already holds the 'wealth of information' and is happy to share it with you. A quick check of the PO directory suggests he may have moved house since contacting the Hist Soc.

I will PM you his likely new address.  He might be glad to give you an email address to correspond through.
Let me know if I can help.
Sue
PS. A closer reading of the HIst Soc Info. it says 'his name on a map of lands' not 'lands held by him'  Too excited to concentrate properly.
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« Reply #60 on: Friday 25 November 05 06:50 GMT (UK) »
Morning everyone
Just thought I'd let you know that I had an email reply to the letter I sent to Dr Monk.  He is the grandson of John Monk who's first wife was Sarah Ann Albon.  He doesn't make it clear whether his father was a child of John and Sarah Ann or of a later marriage.  At the moment it hasn't yielded much more information but I have sent him copies of all the certificates and another letter detailing all of OUR thoughts..he says in original email he might be able to fill in some gaps....here's hoping!
Donna
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« Reply #61 on: Saturday 26 November 05 06:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Made the trip to the PRO today - Donna have organised copy of Thomas Albon's will for you.

In Phoebe's probate (too many papers and too expensive to copy, must remember to take my digital camera as you are allowed to photograph the papers) - found the following very interesting.

Joseph Albon in affidavit states that he is know by his friends by both Joseph Judd & Joseph Albon.  And that his true and correct name is Joseph Judd.

Phoebe left specifically the following items to family members (the rest was shared equally)
Emma - the picture Mr Albon and the Cockaloe (that's what it like - writing was near impossible to read)
Joseph - the family bible (he had given it to his parents as a present)
Sarah - Album and Electric Machine
Ada Maud - the Buggy

Cheers

Genni
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Surnames:
Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould
Areas:
Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan

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Re: What Happened To My Convict?!?
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 26 November 05 07:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Genni
Brilliant, can't wait to see what the will says.
Nice to know that Joseph admitted at some point what his true name was even if he did give  the wrong one on the certificates.
Do you think maybe the picture was of 'Mr Albon and the Cockatoo'?
Intriguing to know what 'Album and Electric machine' is.
Donna
ALBONE - Bedfordshire and Medina area, New York State, USA, SAMUELS - Bedfordshire, COTTINGHAM - Huntingdonshire and Leicerstershire, CLAY - Huntingdonshire and Northamptonshire, ASPITAL - Northamptonshire, SMITH, RATCLIFF - Staffordshire, BERESFORD - Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, WHYLER Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, VINE- Kent and Sussex, BUTLER - Norfolk, GEORGE - Norfolk and Northumberland, JOHNSON in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk