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Offline wrjones

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #171 on: Monday 30 July 07 23:23 BST (UK) »
Its what comes of using all those Graduates from India to do all the transcribing for Ancestry.I somehow think that whilst they may be better educated than I am,they don't have the local knowledge,of lets say Cefn Mawr that I have!

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William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #172 on: Monday 30 July 07 23:59 BST (UK) »
wr, I think that's true of anyone not familiar with an area that they are transcribing.  It seems part of their job would be to learn it.  I think that's a poor or no work ethic.  When planning a trip, I study the map so frequently, I've practically got it memorized.  It has saved me getting lost several times in the past.

My pet peeve is to input specific information in "Search" and get everything but what I'm looking for: i.e., the party was born in England and died in the US, but the first 25 entries shown are all born in the US!   That I do not understand.  Even key punch cards did a better job of sorting - one of the forerunners of computers for the younger generation. 

Despite the problems, I still check the library edition of a.com  (paid for it for four years - that's enough).   But the number of errors growing on a.com make it almost as unreliable as FamilySearch.  That's sad.  RedFox
CUMLD: Davidson, Robson, Atkinson, Blackburn,  Wilkinson, Mumberson, Milburn
CRNWL:  Dawe, Bawden, Leming
CHES: Heginbotham
YRK:  Dawe, Jackson, Ranson, Leming
LANC:  Dawe, Harris, Thomas, Bellamy or Billany, Bayliff, Madsen
EAST SSX:  Etchingham - Woolgar
SCT: RXB-Robson, REN & LNK-Lisle/Lyle/Leill, Taylor, Masson
WALES: Dawe
USA:  MI - Dawe, Stringer, Lisle, Robson, Davidson, Mills, Handy, Betzner, Leeper, Fankboner, Ross, Lyle
IRE: Bell, Prestley/Priestley
GER: Wuerttemberg - Betz

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Re: Ancestry Census mistranscriptions
« Reply #173 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 15:18 BST (UK) »
.... much snipped............

Reading some previous posts on this thread, I sincerely hope Ancestry are not doing the Censuses on OCR, or we're all going to be in DS - how about the surname Russell" in the 19th century? Given that the "long s" was in use in those days, I imagine a lot of ancestors are going to end up as Rufsell or Rupell, depending on the handwriting...

The simple answer is yes!!, - It's already the case in the ScotlandsPeople censuses that there quite a number of folk with the surname ROFS and ROP !  Think about any such double ss combination in a surname, and you'll find some instances, - doesn't cost any credits to have a look at the number of such hits.

Similarly there's quite a few folk on SP with the surnames SMTIH and BRWON !, i.e. transposition of letters. 

The point that I'm making is that it would be inordinately expensive to make such indexes totally error free.

Apart from anything else, that would require a true double entry system, i.e. two people independently key in the data.  Any instance where the input is different is referred to a third person, and resolved at that level, with any unresolved entries being looked at by even more expert folk, and so on, with further levels of expertise above that.

In my recent experience, many so-called "double entry" systems ain't!, - instead they involve the situation where a second person just checks the entry made by the first person, which just ain't the true double entry system as defined above ..............

That written, my opinions on the Ancestry indexes are well known.  I have been reassured from the highest level in Ancestry that OCR or similar or equivalent technology don't come into the equation; that their sub-contractors are given extensive training, and that their sub-contractors are supplied with every which look up list for surnames, occupations, county and paroch ("parish" ;) ) names............  OK, at the end of an exhausting 8 hour day entering data based on peculiar hands of the enumerators involved, plus some ink fading taken into account, I can just about accept that the 900+ parish list isn't properly consulted, but the number and quite ridiculous nature of many of the errors that I've seen in terms of Scottish county names, - it's a list somewhere in the 30s, isn't it?, when Haddingtonshire and similar "alternative" county names are taken into account, - does tend to call into question the Ancestry quality control procedures involved, and the validity of claims that a true double entry keying system is used, - see above.  Such a short list must surely be easy to check?, or am I missing something  ;D

However, I've slowly and painfully at times coming round to the belief that I can just about buy into the opinion that we're better with the Ancestry indexes than without, if only on the basis of the extra search field possibilities that Ancestry provides compared to ScotlandsPeople, plus, critically on occasion, the ability to search on a given name only.

BTW, on SP there's always an implied wildcard on the given name, i.e. searching on "J" is the same as searching for "J*" ................

All that written, I can well appreciate that some folk out there believe that, to some extent, they are being "sold a pup" in terms of what Ancestry claim to offer, compared what turns out to be on offer after the subscription has been paid.   

At least, with ScotlandsPeople, it's very much the case that credits are not only refunded but also some extra compensatory credits most often provided, when it is shown to be the case that mis-indexing etc. has led someone to wasting time and credits on a futile search.

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #174 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 15:36 BST (UK) »
The following thread has one of the best ever Ancestry transcription errors!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,247017.0.html

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #175 on: Saturday 04 August 07 13:56 BST (UK) »
Suspecting that as someone is not appearing on the 41 or 51 Census due to mistransciption I have tried variations of the surname, I found Brewer as Brender, Benett as Barmte and someone who was a Dock Labourer transcribed as a Pauper!!  The last one is quite unbelievable.  I also found Southwark as Southwalk, and Westminster as Winchester to name only two examples of place names being wrong.
Nicholls, Devon and Glamorgan<br />Heath, Wiltshire and Glamorgan<br />Messam, Wiltshire and Glamorgan<br/> Clapham, Bender, Middlesex
Cook, Hampshire, London
Edbrook, Devon and London
Gibson, London
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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #176 on: Saturday 04 August 07 14:12 BST (UK) »
I found some wonderful ones this week while trawling through the phone books.  Mainly place names such as Rushlalie which should be Rushlake Green and Punnetts Twa for Punnetts Town.  ::) 

What I don't understand is how this could happen, the phone directories are printed and very easy to read!!!!!! :-\ :-\

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #177 on: Saturday 04 August 07 14:17 BST (UK) »
If they used some kind of OCR, it could be that the old pages were smudged/badly printed in the original and, although the human eye could detect the correct word (familiarity, for example), the OCR could not.

The one I used to use gave some hilarious interpretations. I have a better one now.

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #178 on: Saturday 04 August 07 14:36 BST (UK) »
That's true I suppose, actually thinking about Town does frequently get abbreviated tp Twn so the n could be misread as an a ::) ::) ::)  But Rushlalie, the mind boggles!!!! ;D ;D

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #179 on: Saturday 04 August 07 14:57 BST (UK) »
Rushlalie
Rushlake

No,  not mind boggling at all really - k = li

Did the Green get missed off?

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