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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #126 on: Saturday 02 December 06 19:57 GMT (UK) »
....snipped......
But do they read these things! and more importantly do anything about them

Do you really want an answer to that  ;)

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #127 on: Saturday 02 December 06 19:59 GMT (UK) »
"occupier" - obvious now you have pointed it out when I looked again just now at the pdf  :-[

and to answer your second post - definitely a rhetorical question as we ALL know the answer!
Knox (Greenlaw/Claydub/Edinburgh);
Syme or Sime (North Berwick/Montrose (Brechin);
McMurtrie (Dalmellington); Lamont/Limont(?);
Williams (Hampstead)/Glamorgan;
Lord (Hampstead/Lancashire);
Isaac (Wiltshire/Gower Peninsula) ;
Rowen or Rowan (Manchester);
Greenwood (Lancashire);
Also Forsythe; Kyle; Trotter; Hislop/Hoslop; Henderson; Chaplin; Parr; Mc Lean; Gourlay ; Harford

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #128 on: Saturday 02 December 06 20:29 GMT (UK) »
"occupier" - obvious now you have pointed it out when I looked again just now at the pdf  :-[


This and another similar example mean that I'm now 99+% certain that OCR software was involved.

In both cases, the similar length of entry in the occupation field had to be squeezed in as two lines of writing in the space normally occupied by one, so that the size of the script is literally tiny.

For a human being, nae prob, just magnify it, and both were perfectly clear, but I suspect, - I'm not certain by any means, - that magnification doesn't help so much with OCR software.

The human eye and brain largely ignore the increased amount of "white space" from the magnification, but OCR software won't and will tend to produce even more bizarre interpretations.

While I'm very pleased about the search options possible on the three Scottish censuses that are available on Ancestry, the use of OCR for '51 and '61 is a pain in that it means that previously developed wildcard strategies are most often not going to be as helpful.  :(

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #129 on: Saturday 02 December 06 20:38 GMT (UK) »
On trying to trace my recently discovered Great Grandma's 2nd husband on the 1901 I find that although listed as Male his Christian name of Lewis has been transcribed as Louisa !!
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Oddly enough, that one I can live with, since, depending on the manner in which the enumerator former these letters, that's a mistranscription that I've come across quite a few times before.

However, given that "Louisa" is shown as Male, that should have indicated that this was not a question of a normally female given name being given to a male (the reverse was even more common, in Scotland at least [an alternative was the addition of "ina" to just about any male name that you can think of, - the most unusual which comes to mind is poor wee "Normanina"  ::)  ])

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #130 on: Saturday 02 December 06 20:54 GMT (UK) »
But OCR in my limited experience still requires spell checking - and proof reading which is not the same thing - so does it really save time and effort?  In my view, no. if the error rate is as high as this one is!

And, Ibi, what course do you run?
Knox (Greenlaw/Claydub/Edinburgh);
Syme or Sime (North Berwick/Montrose (Brechin);
McMurtrie (Dalmellington); Lamont/Limont(?);
Williams (Hampstead)/Glamorgan;
Lord (Hampstead/Lancashire);
Isaac (Wiltshire/Gower Peninsula) ;
Rowen or Rowan (Manchester);
Greenwood (Lancashire);
Also Forsythe; Kyle; Trotter; Hislop/Hoslop; Henderson; Chaplin; Parr; Mc Lean; Gourlay ; Harford

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #131 on: Saturday 02 December 06 21:22 GMT (UK) »
But OCR in my limited experience still requires spell checking - and proof reading which is not the same thing - so does it really save time and effort?  In my view, no. if the error rate is as high as this one is!

Although I've read a lot about OCR technology over the years, particularly from the point of view of its application to historical documents, I have very limited practical experience, so can't really comment on the spell checking and proof reading aspects, - although, as regards achieving a reasonably high degree of accuracy, especially with material such as 19th century enumerators census enumeration books, I'd tend to believe that your statement is correct.

The saving grace here may be the fact that the Ancestry versions are searchable in a different manner and an additional field compared to the GROS versions at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk .

As far as I'm concerned, however, until a body of experience with the Ancestry versions has built up so that I can take a considered view on extent to which OCR technology has or hasn't so mangled too many surnames, so that wildcard searching is problematic in terms of the ease, difficulty, or even impossibility of setting up wildcard search strategies, then I have to say that, for me, the jury's still out !

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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #132 on: Monday 18 December 06 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Just have to share my bit of good luck that happened today.

I have been researching my Traies family in Hackney and I now have most census returns for the family but just couldn't find the 51 or 81.  The 41 turned up under Travis and I have tried allsorts of different alternatives.

I was reading through some old Rootschat threads today regarding this family and someone had mentioned to me to try and F instead of T.

So I duly went and searched for Fraies and  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D yes there they were in 1881 under Fraies. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I have sent an alternative name memo to Ancestry and will try and think more laterally in future.

Kerry  :) :) :) :D :D :D
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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #133 on: Monday 18 December 06 22:29 GMT (UK) »
There is just one simple golden rule I follow when using Ancestry,and that is never take what it says in their Index as Gospel.Always look at the actual entry.

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William Russell Jones
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Wrexham.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« Reply #134 on: Tuesday 19 December 06 07:28 GMT (UK) »

Very wise words William :)

I also find many missing rellies by doing a search with: first name, year of birth and place of birth.  Then I just go through the list checking out the images....unfortunately, a lot of them are incorrect.  It's amazing to see how many surnames are mistranscribed.

BUT, on the positive side, if it wasn't for my Ancestry sub then I wouldn't have pages and pages of census images of so many ancestors ;)
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