1861 for John Pain POWELL

[1000xlch]

Hi All

Could SKS look up 1861 census for me?
Desparately trying to find John Pain POWELL and his wife Sarah with 3 children:
John Henry Powell (b 1853)
William Powell (b 1854)
Mary Maria Monnington Powell (b1856)

All 3 children were born at Kingswinford though Mary says in 1881 When she was married) she was from Pensnett.  Is this place in Worcester or Staffordshire?

I have John and WIlliam in 1881 census and my direct line Mary in 1881.  Cannot find anybody earlier, not even the marriage of John Pain POWELL and Sarah.

Thanks

John Rowley

[yonderpeasant]

There is a Mary Maria Powell living in Pensnett b.Kingswinford about the right age but with different parents.I will give you these in case there have been some crossed wires.
1861 RG9/2071/70/37

Kingswinford Pensnett
Fox Street
George powell head 30 coal miner b.Salop Madeley
Eliza                 wife   25                          do
Thomas             son     7                           do
Ellen                  daur    5                           do
Mary Maria         daur    3                 b.Kingswinford                 

[allibaker]

william powell bapt 7th may 1854 kingswinford and st marys chaperley,stafford parents john and sarah
john henry powell bapt 8th may 1853 kingswinford and st marys chaperley,staffs parents john pain powell and sarah
mary maria monnington powell bapt 1st june 1856 kingswinford and st marys chaperley,stafford parents john and sarah
hope this confirms their places of birth?
regards
alli

[allibaker]

okay i have your family in 1871-
living in kingswinford at 45 water street
john powell 57yrs old retired coal pit manager
sarah 55yrs
children
john 17yrs engine fitter at iron works
william 16yrs pattern maker
rose brown servant 15yrs domestic
emma powell neice 8yrs old
no sign of mary/maria
regards
alli

[1000xlch]

Hi all

Many thanks yonderpeasant and allibaker as the info is great, I think the 1861 George must be brother to John Powell or something as Mary Maria is listed in both families.  My family is the 1871 John Powell with the 2 brothers listed but no Mary Maria.  I have now found the birth cert ref and should get it this week.

Many thanks again

John Rowley

[1000xlch]

Hi again

Birth cert confirms John Payne Powell and Sarah Taylor as parents to Mary Maria Monington Powell, so the 1861 census is the right household.

Many thanks

John Rowley

[1000xlch]

OOPs!

1871 are the correct parents.

John Rowley

[1000xlch]

Hi allibaker

Could you tell me in the 1871 census where everyone was born?.  Many thanks for the info so far.

John Rowley

[Jansher]

Hello John

I think we are related! I've just come back from a weekend of research in Kingswinford and have discovered details of the family of my great grandmother, Sarah Powell, daughter of William and Harriet and sister of Emma born 1862 who I believe is the Emma in the 1871 Census on Water Street. ie John Pain and William Powell were brothers.
In searching through the parish records I found 4 children for John and Sarah plus their marriage at Holy Trinty church Kingswinford on March 23rd 1852.
I am really interested in the Mornington connection as my grandmother told me we were descendants of Lord Mornington. Do you have any info regarding John Pain Powells ancestors?