confused about Loughmore

[Máiréad Ní Riain]

Yes Tom you are right, that was the case with most place-names in Ireland.

Since the English took it upon themselves to govern Ireland, and the speaking of the Irish language was outlawed for part of that time, most names were anglicized. 

[JoeK]

I would like to get a copy of the recording of the song you refer to in your post. I have an interest as I have a song which was handed down through my family regarding the same Cormack Brothers. I would be grateful if you could send me a mail or a contact number for anyone who has it. Joe

[pehayes]

I have just returned from a week in Loughmoe (Loughmore).  On last Tuesday, 2/17/09 I walked nearly the entire distance of the old road up from Thurles to Loughmoe.  I was tracing the several local townlands of my own heritage.  I am the first of the line to return since the famine departure.  I hail from Hayes, Finigan, Ryan, and Maher.  I now have firm paper record back to circa 1790 in these townlands.  I met for hours with Monsignor Maurice Dooley of the local parish who gave me a wealth of history and church record.

Regarding the village name, as we walked north on the old road we found this sign:



As we reach near to Loughmoe Castle, we found this sign:



BTW, the local (only) pub recently changed names.  It was Loughmore Inn for years, but is now Stapleton's bar.  Exceptionally friendly people.

I have been unable to locate any date information about the old, stone Loughmoe Abbey in the cemetery of the current local church.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[pehayes]

I may have a little bit about your Fogartys.  I have Martin Maher b. 11/11/1811.  One baptismal sponsor was Catherine Fogarty.  Martin later married an Anne/Nancy Fogarty in 1827.

I have a little more about Maher.  My G-G-G-Grandfather was Pierce Hayes from circa 1790 in Clogheraily townland of Loughmoe East.  In 1811 he married Margaret Maher of neighboring Killanigan townland.  Son William married a Margaret Ryan.  Their son Pierce Hayes 1842 emigrated to Massachusetts at famine time.  In 1862 he married a Johanna Finigan who had also emigrated from Clogheraily.  Eventually down to me.

I met at length on 2/17/09 with Monsignor Maurice Dooley of the parish.  He has a wealth of records and he gave me a copy of an old map of the townland boundaries in this parish.

Parick Hayes
Fremont CA

[corisande]

  Monsignor Maurice Dooley

Yes, Maurice is very interested in local history. I have had a long discussion with him about one of my ancestors, Jeremiah Grant, a famous (by Irish standards) highwayman who was eventually hanged in 1816

Grants of Loughmore has some information

and this has information on the Lloyds of Lisheen Castle, local landlords

[stawell]

I also was very confused regarding Loughmore and Loughmoe but from the helpful answers I understand it better now. To further add to my confusion I had been looking for a place known as "The Islands" which I now understand is in the townland of Clogharaily which is in Loughmoe. I am interested in Cormack's and Cahill's from this area.

[pehayes]

Ah, Stawell, now we're getting VERY close.  On the eastern side of Loughmore there are perhaps 15 or 20 'townland' units.  Among those are Clogharailymore and Clogharailybeg (meaning upper and lower respectively, you have to see the local terrain to understand) (I've seen them spelled a variety of ways).  Each of these townlands has perhaps 5 families.  Clogharailymore is further subdivided in that its western portion is/was known as "Old Bawn" and its eastern portion known as "The Islands".  I have ancestors born in both.  I think The Islands currently has only two families and I've had tea at both houses in 2010.  I can't prove it on paper, but I believe I am related to both of these two families.  One of the two is an active local historian and she might be able to help you track the names and data that you have.  I'd be happy to chat further off-line and to share maps, contacts, etc.  Contact me at:
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Fremont CA

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[pehayes]

BTW, Stawell, I don't have either Cormack or Cahill listed in any of my known ancestry.  I presume you are fully read up on the local story of the Cormack Brothers and their current tomb at the Loughmore Cemetery.  While in Ireland last year, I purchased a wonderful book which outlines the complete event history in detail.  GUILTY OR INNOCENT by Nancy Murphy.
http://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Innocent-Brothers-Trial-Execution-Exhumation/dp/0946327203
The 'event' took place further off in Loughmore west, but I'm not certain where the Cormack family lived at the time.  The brothers were farm/estate laborers at the time.  The event estate is in the west, but the Cormack family itself could have lived in the east.  (east and west referring to Loughmore's division by the River Suir).  Realize that the local population was then perhaps 5 or 6 times what it is today.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[julie1875]

Wondering is someone can enlighten me.  I have ancestors who came to Australia in 1850.  The immigration records state that they came from LoughMAGH - is this just another interpretation of Loughmore/Loughmoe???  I cannot fine Loughmagh on any map and am assuming that this was just incorrect spelling of the place Loughmore or Loughmoe.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Regards
Julie