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Offline Hilaryanne

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confused about Loughmore
« on: Friday 14 October 05 16:21 BST (UK) »
Is Loughmore the same as Loughmoe n and s?
I have a catholic marriage there, how can I find information about it?
Thanks so much
Hilary
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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 November 05 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hilary,
Yes. Loughmore and Loughmoe are one and the same place. Loughmoe is the older version of the placename, coming from the Irish (Gaelic) Luach Magh. Magh means a plain. Lough does not, in this instance, refer to a lake. There is no lake in Loughmore, just the river Suir.
    Older people, when speaking with affection about the place often refer to it by the older name which they pronounce 'Lokemah'  (phonetically), e.g. 'How are ye all in Loughmoe?
These confusions are caused by the crude anglicisations of Irish placenames by the English authorities in the 19th century. Brian Friel's play 'Translations' treats of this topic.
Who are your Loughmore relatives? I come from the next parish though I now live in Dublin. My mother and paternal grandmother were from Loughmore.
Would you like a poem about the village? Let me know.
Bijou

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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 November 05 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bijou
Thanks for your informative note.  I would love to read a poem about Loughmore.

The marriage I am interested in is between John Byrne and Anne Gleeson in Loughmore Tipperary in 1847. I would like to know John and Anne's parents names if possible.

Thanks so much
Hilary
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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 November 05 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hilary,
Thanks for your e-mail. Gleeson is quite a common name in Loughmore. There are several families still there. Byrne, however would be an unusual name traditionally in that area. It is more associated with the Dublin/Wicklow region. However, Byrnes can pop up all over Ireland. 
    If you contact the Tipperary Family History Research centre in Tipperary town they should be able to help you with the details about the parents. They are at www.tfhr.org. They hold all the records for the Catholic Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly to which Loughmore belongs. They charge a fee. Or you could contact the Parish Priest at the Parochial House, Loughmore, Templemore, Co.Tipperary and he might look up the records for you.
Here comes the poem. I don't know who wrote it. My mother used to recite it.
It's a Tipperary village and it nestles on a hill,
In a land bereft of tillage lacking food to feed the mill,
And the waters of the river through the rocks and pebbles roar
As they circumvent and quiver in their travels by Loughmore.

There's a castle standing stately, telling tales of days gone by,
But to ruin it has gone greatly, nature tells the reason why.
It's a building grey and lonesome from the tower to the floor,
But it once was gay and handsome, ornamenting fair Loughmore.

The barrack walls are tumbed down, now changed the scene of old.
Where England's crown was to be found, now floats green,white and gold.
And here's a health to those who fought and drove them from our shores,
And to every gallant Irishman from Blarney to Loughmore.

The village decks the hillside with a restingplace close by,
The home of age and pride and youth who thought it well to die,
To leave this world of grief and woe for that eternal shore
Which may be up or down below but far from fair Loughmore.

           I don't know why the author said 'bereft of tillage' as Loughmore is a very fertile place. I have one other verse from another poem where Loughmore is mentioned.

The sweet silvery Suir with its current so pure,
Laughing and sparkling by storied Loughmore,
And on through the valley,twixt beech tree and salley,
To join its fair sister the beautiful Nore.

There is a Loughmore website with some pictures of the Purcell castle.   Someone in Australia has transcribed the inscriptions from the headstones in the churchyard and they are online. Try typing in Parish of Loughmore and Castleiney Graveyard and it should come up.
Good luck,
Bijou.


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Translations
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 November 05 22:50 GMT (UK) »
I was interested that you (Bijou) mentioned the Brian Friel play, Translations, as I've just seen the National Theatre touring production in Southampton; this play is so informative for anyone researching Irish history. Did you enjoy it, I loved it.

Mags

Sorry to go off the topic slightly!
Bailey - co.Limerick, Kilbeheny;co. Tipperary, Ballyporeen parish
King - co.Limerick, Kilbeheny parish
Moher - co.Tipperary, Ballyporeen parish
Farrell - co.Tipperary, Coolagarranroe, Skeheenaranky
Fitzgerald - ditto

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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 November 05 01:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mags,

I have just had a rapid look at this thread. I could see little need for you to apologise. This is what RootsChat is all about. It is mixture of genealogical research, a bit of banter and general chit chat. The contributors to the Irish threads seem to like this formula although they could be posting matters irrelevent to genealogy at the Lighter Side or Even Lighter Side. Many people appear to read the Irish threads for the humour that they contain. It is great to see members, like yourself, who have joined in the past few months getting involved. I hope you are enjoying RootsChat, are recommending it to your friends and if you have a library near you pop a poster in and ask one of the librarians to display it on a board.

Good Luck with your research, Chris   

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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 November 05 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris,
Thank you so much for your kind words.
Rootschat is great; I have told several people about it. It's only been recent weeks I've had time to post any messages - one of the advantages of temporarily not going out to work!
Cheers,
Mags
Bailey - co.Limerick, Kilbeheny;co. Tipperary, Ballyporeen parish
King - co.Limerick, Kilbeheny parish
Moher - co.Tipperary, Ballyporeen parish
Farrell - co.Tipperary, Coolagarranroe, Skeheenaranky
Fitzgerald - ditto

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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 December 05 10:27 GMT (UK) »

Hello

I'm in South Australia and have been doing research for 10 years now.  Loughmore is a totally separate place from the other places with similar spelling.

How do I know?  Because my gggrandparents, Patrick Brophy and Mary Fogarty married in the village church at Loughmore in 1816.

My younger sister came back here after a holiday in Ireland about 2 months ago, and she went to Loughmore. She tells me it is not really a town, just a very small village, but very colourful and pretty.

Regards
Trinkleberry.
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Re: confused about Loughmore
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 December 05 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Bijou here in Dublin. Loughmore County Tipperary and Loughmoe County Tipperary are one and the same place, the latter being the more ancient spelling which has now fallen into disuse. All old maps and historical references to the parish in old texts spell the parish as Loughmoe. Obviously there are other townlands in Ireland also called Loughmore as Loch Mor (big lake ) would be an obvious topographical description. Loughmore Co.Tipperary,coming from Luach Magh/Loughmoe does not refer to a lake. Luach Magh is on all the signposts along with the English version.
I don't think anyone ever claimed it was a town. Please believe me. I know my Loughmore.