Bacon Belper

[bodger]

I live in Ireland,  how do i trace family pre 1800 ? Tony Bacon

[Gardener]

I think you will have to rely heavily on parish records. Here is the link for the record office at Matlock
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/record_office/our_collection/
If you scroll down the page you can open links which tell you what parish records are available. As far as I can see belper was in the Parish of Duffield until 1846 but had a chapelry licenced for baptisms from 1783 so that may be the place to look.
That will be tricky from Ireland though 
The following link will lead you to a list of what is available on the IGI for Belper http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/
The records for Belper and Heage Independent include some children to a couple John and Hannah Bacon, all born towards the end of the 19th Century so they may be of interest.
The first link I gave you also has a list of records for nonconformist churches etc and you will probably need to check those too. Belper is a lovely place and seems to have more old chapels than pubs!
Here is a link for a site about Belper
http://www.belper-research.com/index.html 
It seems to have links to every Belper site there is so you might find something of interest.
The record office at Matlock will do searches for you and you may find a Rootschatter who lives close enough to look something up for you. There doesn't seem to be a lot online at the moment.
Well, I could have saved a lot of typing there.... the Belper site has all the information you need here
http://www.belper-research.com/deeds/LDS-films.html
Have to say that it looks like a long job to check through it all but I am sure it will be fun

(And my praises to the Belper site for being so good! )

[spendlove]

First of all are you sure your Bacons were actually in Belper and not one of the
villages nearby?

If they were in Belper, they would probably be renting their house from the
Strutt Estate, some of the rental records have survived but they are not at
Matlock Record Office, these are held at Manchester Local Studies. ( on A2A).
They have not been transcribed or indexed.

I have searched the Strutt Records at Matlock, however no Bacon name appeared
in the search, which suggests to me that they probably never owned any land/property.
From abt 1776 Strutt was buying any land/cottages that became available and if any
had come from a Bacon I would have expected the name to appear in my search.

Also held a Matlock are the Manor Court Rolls, which cover Belper, these are a wonderful
source.

With all the above records it would take many hours indeed weeks of searching.  Any
record office will charge if they do any kind of search, and it is too much work for an
individual to take on.

Will you post what information you have on your family? Do you know their occupation?
etc.  all will assist.  You may be lucky and find info from others on this site.

Spendlove  -  living in BELPER

[bodger]

Father, George Edward, B. Keighley 1906, Yorks.

Grandfather, John Edward,B. 1882, Ingrow, Yorks

G.Grandfather George Bacon,B.1855, Belper, in 1881 census living, Cluster Buildings                               

G.G.Grandfather John, B. Belper 1833, in 1861 &71 census living Bloods Bank, Belper 

G.G,G.Grandfather Edward, B 1804,

G.G.G.G.Grandfather, John B1766 , no details may have married Hannah Simpson 1791
Thank You for your replies  Tony

[Gardener]

G.Grandfather George Bacon,B.1855, Belper, in 1881 census living, Cluster Buildings                               

He was a luckly man! One of the Clusters cottages is rented out as holiday property and I stayed there a few years back. Such a clever idea to build four cottages back to back, each with their own garden and (to my children's delight) semi-detached stone pigstyes!

[Gardener]

Hi Spendlove. Are you involved in the Belper site then? If so congratulations on a good job.
My husband and I loved Belper, it seemed to have pretty much everything. In fact we tried to get my parents to move there

[spendlove]

Hi,
I did not set up the Belper Research Site, however I did assist with
information on various families and info on various records etc.

I am a volunteer at "Belper North Mill",  one of the things we try to do is
assist People in finding their Belper Roots.

It is a great site.

Spendlove.

[spendlove]

Hi Bodger

There are a number of Bacon Families in Belper, however they do not all have Belper
Roots, so you need to be very careful if you take any info from Patron Submitted items
on the IGI.  Yours are Nailer's so I think you will eventually find they have been here
for hundreds of years.

I was concerned that George born abt 1855 does not appear to be on the 1871 Census,
by 1881 he is married and in Spring Bank, Bingley, Yorks.  There does not appear to be
a Birth Registration for him in 1855 either.  Have you any of this information?

I have been to the Library today and extracted the following:-

1841 Census HO 107/180/5 Pg 39  The Butts, Belper

Bacon  Edward   35    Nailer       Derbyshire
"       Sarah        30                       "
"       Mary          12   Cotton Spinner     Derbyshire
"    George         10   "          Picker        Derbyshire  (this was a terrible job)
"    John               8                                   "
"   Edwin              6                                   "
"  Joseph             3                                    "

1851   Census  Lander Lane, Belper   
Bacon   Edward     46     Nail Maker         Belper
"        Sarah     wife 41                            Codnor
"       John        son   18  Carder at Cotton Factory    Belper
"      Edwin       son   15   Nailer                                  "
"    Hannah       dau   9    Scholar                               "
"    Eliza            dau   4      "                                       "

The Butts, Lander Lane and Bloods Bank are all in the same area of Belper.

          ~~~~~~~~
The following are also from the 1851 Census.  I give details of any Bacon in the area
about the same age as Edward in the hope they may be Brothers or at least relations.

Pg 633  Sch  27   Bloods Bank
Bacon  Ferdinand     48     Frame Work Knitter & Lodging House Keeper     Belper
            Hannah   wife 53    Trimmer of Hosiery                                                "
"          Ann         dau  18       "             "                                                         "
Beresford  Wm  Nephew  9   Factory Boy                                                        "
"             Ann    Niece      18     "        Girl                                                        "
Barnes   Charles  cousin  29    Ag. Laborer                                                  "

Pg 636  Sch 52
Bacon  Joseph   52     Nail Maker                 Belper
"      Rebecca     54                                       Derby

Pg 672   Sch 2   Gutter (this is further away on Nottingham Road)
Bacon     Joseph         52      Iron Turner           Belper
"    Elizabeth    wife    50                                       "
"    James         son    26     Nail Maker                  "
"   Elizabeth    dau     14   Cotton Spinner             "
"   Sarah           "        11      "          "                    "
"  Mary              "         7     Scholar                       "
"  Hannah         "         4       "                               "

Pg 675  Sch 25
Bacon    Thomas      41        Iron Turner               Belper
"        Monica     wife  27     Seamstress                "
"       Joseph      son    1                                        "


Think Ferdinand was married twice  1.  13.2.1832 to Lydia Beresford
                                                         2.  28.10.1850  Hannah Berrisford
On second marriage states his father was John Bacon.  He may not be one of yours
because although in the right area, he was a Frame Work Knitter, however he was
born in Belper.

Try Strutt School admission Records
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Belper/StruttSchoolindex.html
Phillimore Marriage Transcripts for Duffield
http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/index.html
Belper Chaplery - Bishops Transcripts
IGI  Batch Number  C046801

John Bacon = Hannah had:-
Ann Hopkinson Bacon    Bpt 14.12.1795
"       Bacon                     15.5.1797
Joesph "                          27.8.1799
Edward "                         25.3.1801
Edward "                         24.9.1803
John     "                          20.11.1806 
All Bpt  Belper & Heage Indp.

I know this does not answer your original question, but I do hope it will assist.
Spendlove

 

[bodger]

Hi Spendlove, I think that the Bacons you gave me, in Lander Ln., Bloods Bank, are the right ones, Re George, i have him  shown as a 6 yr. old in the 1861 census, so that ties in,  re- your final family, i think they are also part of the same family but have no proof other than dates and ages match. A question, why would there be two Ann's & two Edwards ?, the second Edward ties in date wise with my Edward, other names i have in the tree from Derbys, Attenborough, Ride, Melbourne, Thorpe, & possibly Simpson. Thanks for all the help Tony Bacon