My New Zealand Surname interests

[Lucy2]

Hello Heidi    ... (and Hi to Trish also)

Like Trish, I tend to think that there was not a Maori connection to Mabel Rena CARTER's line.

Certainly, we can see that her Mother, (Alexandrina nee FABIAN) was a native of the Channel Islands, and it appears that her father George Charles CARTER was likely born in England.  [An online tree (at ancestry.com) suggests that he was born c. 1842 at East Ham, Essex, England.  No source for that information is given though. ]

Of the children born to Alexandrina and George C. CARTER, only "Mabel Rena" has was might be construed as a "Maori-sounding" second name.  I tend to think that "Rena" could well be a diminutive of her mother's name, Alexandrina... but just spelled slightly differently ?
The other CARTER children were >

1867 - Alice Mary  /  1869 - George James / 1872 - William Alfred / 1873 - Charles Henry / 1875 - Arthur Alexander / (1878 - Rena Mabel)  / 1879 - Harry Francis / 1882 - Ernest Edmund and 1884 - Ethel Annie.

If you google "Maori Genealogy" you can find more info (- it differs in the sense that much is conveyed orally from generation to generation.)

Have more to follow on the GIBBS family - which I'll post shortly.

    ~  Lu   

[Lucy2]

OOPs I meant look for Norman GIBBS

Mmm ... searching for the birth of Norman GIBBS presented a bit a challenge initially (because it transpired that that wasn't the surname under which his birth was registered in NZ. )   And there are some "twists" to be had for his family.   (I'll try and add these in a logical sequence so you can better follow the "story"). 

Firstly though, the marriage notice for Mabel Rena CARTER and Norman GIBBS was published in a newspaper - and it gave the names of both fathers.

You can view this at our PapersPast website.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Marlborough Express" (Marlborough) - 10 November 1904 - Marriages - page 2

GIBBS - CARTER - 19 October 1904 at the residence of bride's parents, Hutcheson Street, Norman GIBBS, son of the late Robert GIBBS of Wellington, to Mabel R. Carter, 2nd daughter of G.C. CARTER of Blenheim.

Robert GIBBS I suspected might be the man who married in NZ a "Frances GORDON" in 1867.  However there were no NZ births registered to this couple.

It was only when turning to PapersPast in search of Robert GIBBS, that things took a "twist".
The marriage of Robert GIBBS and Frances GORDON in 1867 was in fact bigamous, in that Frances GORDON (otherwise known as Fanny GLOVER), had married in Christchurch (NZ) in 1861 to a Hawley William GLOVER, and he was still alive.  (Three children had also been born of that union).

NZ Marriage

Hawley William GLOVER -- Fanny CRAYTHORN* -- Year:  1861
[* CRAYTHORN sometimes spelled as "CRAYTHORNE" ]

The newspapers of the day covered the bigamy "story" in some depth.    I'll give the references to these items in next post  >

   ~  Lu




 

[Lucy2]

Robert GIBBS - Fanny (Frances) GLOVER - newspaper reports :

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Wairarapa Standard" - 22 July 1867 - Resident Magistrate's Court
 ==   Bigamy Charges

... Fanny GIBBS, alias GORDON, alias GLOVER  ... (goes on to give details of 1st marriage / 2nd marriage and the fact that Fanny was "dobbed in" by her brother-in-law, the husband of her sister, Mary Ann MANNING.)

"Evening Post" (Wellington) - 2 September 1867 - page 2 - Supreme Court
(near end of page - see "Bigamy" )

-- same paper - 3 September 1867 - page 2

"Wellington Independent" (Wellington) - 3 September 1867 - page 4 - Supreme Court

These articles have differing amounts of detail.

   ~  Lu
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[Lucy2]

New Zealand Births

1877 - GLOVER - Norman
Parents :   Fanny and Robert
Date of Birth, as deduced from the NZBDM online record, is 12 July 1877
[I believe this is the child later known as Norman GIBBS. ]

and these children also >

1877 - GLOVER - Frances Mary -- Parents:  Fanny and Robert
Her birthdate is the same as for Norman (12 July 1877) - Twins ?? ... yes, see below >

1868 - GLOVER - Elizabeth Lane* -- Parents:  Fanny and Robert
(* Lane is possibly the maiden name of Fanny's mother ?   See UK 1851 census record in following post.)

also this birth - although the father's name has not been recorded ??

1875 - GLOVER - Annie -- Mother:  Fanny    Father:  N/R

                                                           continues  >

Edited to add :  "Wairarapa Standard" - 14 July 1877 - page 3 / column 2 - BIRTH

GIBBS - on 12 instant, at Featherston, the wife of Mr Robert GIBBS, twin children.

[Lucy2]

Frances (Fanny) GIBBS - formerly GLOVER - nee CRAYTHORN (CRAYTHORNE).

Fanny CRAYTHORNE was born in in Leicestershire, England.  Her birth was registered at
Barrow Upon Soar, Leicestershire, 1st quarter (Jan-Feb) 1843.

1851 UK Census - Leicestershire

LANE - Francis - head - widower - 61 years - carpenter -  born Leicestershire - Rearsby
CRAYTHORN - William - 32 - son-in-law -- Ag. Labourer - born Leicestershire - Great Eaton
CRAYTHORN - Mary - 35 - wife - b. Rearsby
CRAYTHORN - Mary Ann - daughter - single - 11 years
CRAYTHORN - Fanny - dau - 8 yrs
CRAYTHORN - Charles - son - 5 yrs
CRAYTHORN - Emma - dau - 1 yr

[Lucy2]

Immigration to New Zealand :

Arrived at Canterbury NZ on 3 October 1857 per ship "Glentanner".

CRAYTHORNE - William - 39 - farm labourer - ex Leicestershire
- Mary - wife - 39
- Mary Ann - 18
- Fanny - 14
- Charles - 11
- Emma - 7

[Lucy2]

NZ Deaths

GIBBS - Robert - 62 years
Occupation:  Gardener
Buried : 4 December 1894
Karori Cemetery, Wellington  -- Plot 29 D - PUBLIC

also in same plot >

GIBBS - Frances - 91 years
Widow
Buried :  26 March 1934
[Her death notice records her name as "Frances and in brackets (Fanny) GIBBS. ]

Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a Probate record for Robert GIBBS (which might have provided further clues as to where he was born).

The NZ Birth registration (1877) for GLOVER - Norman, should include details of his father's birth place.    [We recommend with New Zealand BDM records that you purchase the "printout" rather than a certificate.   A printout is an image of the registry entry (a certificate is transcribed from that info so is open to error).  Printouts too, are less expensive.   
                                                                                                    continues >

[Lucy2]

Also found this NZ birth registration .

1865 - GORDON - Emma Evelin
Parents:  Frances Gertrude and Henry

Death Notices

"Evening Post" - 2 June 1888 - DEATHS - page 2

GIBBS - on 1 June ... Evelyn Emma, dearly beloved daughter of Robert and Fanny GIBBS....

also >

"Evening Post" - 20 August 1880 - DEATHS - page 2

GIBBS - on 19th August of bronchitis, Charles Robert aged 7 years and 8 months.   Wairarapa and Canterbury papers please copy.
in her 23rd year ...

These children are buried together in the Bolton Street Cemetery, in Wellington.
[Couldn't see a birth reg. for Charles Robert. ]

[trish1120]

WOW, well done Lucy.
What a tangled web

I will have a look over this more later as am in a bit of a rush today.