1871 Census

[tickle]

Please could some kind soul look for Frederick William Phillips aged 37/38, wife Marie, children Marie 9, Tom 7, Fred 3, Nelson 1. Marie may be on her own with the kids because Frederick was dead before the end of June (I think). Any help on this one would be appreciated as it will sort a longstanding family mystery.

Many thanks

Tickle

[Arranroots]

Hi Tickle and Welcome to Rootschat

Extraordinary thing ~ I can find matching family in 1871.  Only one problem - the head is Philip HANNAH and the wife & children all match.  Do you think Marie remarried very quickly?

There is also a grandparent CLEMENTS living with them.

kind regards, Arranroots 

[Arranroots]

Here is the record - slight amendment surname HANNAN

RG10/5658   100   27

HANNAN Philip H M 38 - actor (comedian) - Middx London
HANNAN Maria W M 28 - do
HANNAN Maria dau 9 - Woowich
HANNAN Thomas son 6 - London
HANNAN Fred son 3 - Scotland
HANNAN Nelson son 7 months - Aberystwith (sic)
+ servant
CLEMENTS Mrs grandmother 70 - Hounslow

Address: 9/10 Farndon ST, Wrexham Regis

What do you think?

A 

[axelaust]

I just found the same census record and think that is them - to co-incidental.

Maria appears to have remarried and the children are now recorded with the 2nd husbands name on this census.

Worth checking the BMD's to see if a match on marriage.

Kind regards

axelaust

[tickle]

Hi All

Thanks for the very prompt replies. The mystery thickens:

This is the entry in 1881

CENSUS
1881
Household:
 Name    Relation   Marital Status   Gender   Age   Birthplace   Occupation   Disability   
 Marie RICHARDS    Wife (Head)  M     Female     36     London , London, Middlesex, England     Hotel Keepers Wife         
 Marie PHILLIPS     Stepdaur U     Female     19     London Woolwich, London, Middlesex, England     Hotel Keepers Daur    
 Tom PHILLIPS     Stepson     U     Male     17     London , London, Middlesex, England     Mineral Water Maker         
 Fred PHILLIPS     Stepson          Male     13     Scotland     Apprentice to Dentistry         
 Nelson PHILLIPS     Stepson          Male     10     Aberystwyth     Scholar         
 Annie RICHARDS (PHILLIPS)   Daur (St)     Female     7     Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales     Scholar         
 Florrie RICHARDS     Daur          Female     5     Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales     Scholar         
 John RICHARDS      Son          Male     2     Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales              
 George RICHARDS  Son          Male     1     Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales              
 Elizabeth GRIFFITHS Serv     U     Female     16     Rhos, Denbigh, Wales     General Serv         


Source Information:
    Dwelling     23 Blossoms Inn   
    Census Place   Wrexham Regis, Denbigh, Wales   
    Family History Library Film     1342327     Public Records Office Reference     RG11   
    Piece / Folio     5520 / 90   
    Page Number     7   

Household:
 Name    Relation   Marital Status   Gender   Age   Birthplace   Occupation   Disability   
 John SHILCOCK     Head     W     Male     78     Spalding, Lincoln, England     Retired Surveyor         
 Frederick RICHARDS Visitor     M     Male     32     Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales     Hotel Keeper         
 Elizabeth DAVIS     Ser     W     Female     64     Hampshire, England     Cook Domestic         
 Emma HILLIAM     Ser     U     Female     18     Fleet, Lincoln, England     Housemaid Domestic

Now I am totally mystified! Any thoughts?

[Arranroots]

I think I would be tempted to buy the birth cert of one of the RICHARDS children, to see what it says about the Sophia's previous names!

Nelson's would be the easiest to find, though...

I imagine you have not located any of the marriages?

A 

[axelaust]

Found Maria on 1891 still married to Richards

1891
Richards, Frederick C abt 1849 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Head - Artist
Richards, Maria abt 1846 Holton, London, England Wife 
Richards, Annie A abt 1874 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter   
Richards, Florence M J abt 1876 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter
Richards, John S abt 1878 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Son 
Richards, George K abt 1879 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Son 
 
Acton Denbighshire
RG12/4614 Folio 12 


Found Nelson on 1901 - as an Actor

1901
Nelson W Phillips abt 1871  London, England Head 
Lizzie Phillips abt 1870  Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Wife 
Alice Phillips abt 1899  Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter
Edward Phillips abt 1896  Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Son  

Salford Lancashire
RG13/3732 Folio 122 

No time for anymore tonight - but love a mystery LOL

Good Luck

axelaust

[Arranroots]

Here's a possible investment opportunity!

Birth

RICHARDS Florence Mary J
Sep quarter 1875
Wrexham  Vol 11b  Page 325

Arranroots 

[tickle]

Hi again

The mystery is solved!

Frederick William Phillips and Philip Hannan are one and the same, Philip Hannan being his stage name. Marie (nee Clements,) stage name Marie Clare, Comedienne in 1861, when she was a boarder in the same house in London as Philip Hannan aged 19. No need to ask what went on there then!

Frederick William died in Wrexham aged 38 in 1871, by which time he was a theatre manager. (See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/Theatres2.htmland) Marie married Frederick Charles Richards at St Nicholas Liverpool 9 May 1873.

So it all now makes perfect sense. A mystery for nearly 10 years, and solved overnight.

Thanks for your input.

Tickle