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« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 07:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rachel,
               Father Haridman's book proved to be a gem
with a wealth of information about Hugh McGinnis &
Charlotte Simpson.  Thank you once again for finding
it and I recommend it to anyone who is a descendant
of Hugh & Charlotte.

Would you be able to help once more on a totally different branch
of the family Rachel? 

We have an unsolved mystery of what happened to James Waller?

James was born in 1786 in Manchester.  He joined the army and served at
the Battle of Waterloo - in 1826 he joined the NSW Royal Veterans Corps.
and arrived in Sydney in that year.   On arrival in Sydney his wife Mary became
the Matron of the Female School of Industry and James, after being leaving
 the Veterans, worked for the Colonial Secretary.

In 1837 he became employed by William Lonsdale and joined him in
Melbourne, leaving behind his wife and children. 
He was subsequently given the job of Gaoler of the
Melbourne Gaol but had a falling out with Lonsdale,
(see Historical Records of Victoria) and headed for Tasmania.

Here we lost him, by 1851 he is recorded on the NSW marriage
certificate of his daughter as being deceased but where and
how???  He is not buried with his wife in Sydney,
no record of his death has been found in NSW
nor in Tasmania. 

Many have tried to find his last resting place with no
success.   There is a gold star waiting for the one
who finds him!

Helen





Hollinshead, Lockett, Downing, Taylor, Symcock,
Jackson, Leighton, Dodd, Boardman, Dean & Kinsey (Staffordshire)
Muddle, Hartshorne, Dickenson, Humphries, Ensbey,
Dwyer, Brindley, Gully, Hall, Williams, Coombes,
O'Connor, Peters (Australia)

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Re: Australian Lookups Offer [NSW, Vic, Tas, WA] + Aussie BDM & migration websites
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rachel, My daughter Sonia is a GGGG granddaughter of Elizabeth Cole and James Tucker. As you probably know, their daughter Maria married William Mansfield, had 16 children, their last born being Emma Louise. She married Robert Jeffrey, had a son James Mansfield who was my former mother-in-law's father. My daughter has a precious photo of Emma Louise which I'll see in a few days time when she arrives from Darwin. I'm in Melbourne.
Do you know the circumstances of James Tucker being made hangman, and have you seen his entry from Old Bailey online? If not I'll send them. Do you also know there was a book entitled "Dispatched to the Derwent" published 2 years ago? It's about the life of William Mansfield. I should be receiving that this week, and can't wait.
Any info required, let me know. 4am and I've got to get some sleep. Regards, Irene

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« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brisgirl,
I am hoping you can help me find an Edward O'Shea. His son's birth certificate (1896).which I purchased from BDM NSW, says he was born in Bright, Vic. He was 28 so he would have been born around 1868. I have found a record of his marriage in NSW but no birth in either NSW or Vic.
I'm not sure where to go from here.
Thankyou
Riccoh

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« Reply #75 on: Thursday 10 November 05 00:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Riccoh,

I had a look at my birth, death and marriage records and as you say, there is no record of Edward O'Shea's birth in Victoria in the 1860s. 

However, there are a few possibilities ... 

1) that the registration of his birth was misspelt
2) that he wasn't registered (a couple of my Australian ancestors have no birth records that I can find)
3) that he was born under a different name ... could his mother have been a single woman at his birth and then married a Mr O'Shea?
4) that he was younger than stated in the records (I have two under-age ancestors who lied about their ages at the time of their marriage)
5) that Edward was his middle name, not his given name

Do you have the certificate for Edward's marriage?  If not, I suggest you purchase it as it will confirm (or otherwise) the date and place of birth given in his son's birth certificate and his parents' details.  Consider contacting Marilyn Rowan at Marbract:

www.marbract.com.au  (also: www.transcriptions.com.au)

as she charges less to transcribe NSW BDMs than obtaining the official certificate from the registry.  I've used her a few times and she's very good.

I hope that helps a bit.

Regards, Brisgirl
Hewson (Dublin); Beacom (Co. Tyrone), Beer (Devon); Perry (Warwickshire); Tanner (Wiltshire); Mostyn Owen (Shropshire & Wales); Coles (Somerset & London); Fox (Cornwall); Peirce (Monmouth); Tolson (Yorkshire); Haigh (Yorkshire); Lunn (Yorkshire); Neill (Co. Down); Davies (Shropshire); Dryden (Roxburgh); McVane (Roxburgh); Lillico (Roxburgh); Symington (Roxburgh); Dickson (Roxburgh).


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« Reply #76 on: Thursday 10 November 05 01:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Irene,

It's lovely to hear from you!  Yes, I know about Maria and William, but wasn't aware of the book about them.  Who is the author and publisher?  I will purchase a copy for myself. 

I don't know much about James Tucker so could you could send me the information you have, other than his entry on the Old Bailey online which I'll look up today.  I'll give you my e-mail address via a personal message.

Sonia is lucky to have a photo of Emma Louise.  Would she be able to scan it or have it copied at a photo store?  If so, I would love to pay you for a copy, Emma being a granddaughter of my 6 times great-grandmother Elizabeth Cole.

As my Rootschat nickname suggests, I'm in Brisbane.

Kindest regards, Rachel
Hewson (Dublin); Beacom (Co. Tyrone), Beer (Devon); Perry (Warwickshire); Tanner (Wiltshire); Mostyn Owen (Shropshire & Wales); Coles (Somerset & London); Fox (Cornwall); Peirce (Monmouth); Tolson (Yorkshire); Haigh (Yorkshire); Lunn (Yorkshire); Neill (Co. Down); Davies (Shropshire); Dryden (Roxburgh); McVane (Roxburgh); Lillico (Roxburgh); Symington (Roxburgh); Dickson (Roxburgh).

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« Reply #77 on: Thursday 10 November 05 01:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen,

Lovely to hear from you again!  I'm glad the book turned out to be so useful.  I really enjoyed doing that research for you.

Now for James Waller ... there's a challenge! ;)  First of all, do you know the names of his parents?  Has his death been researched in all Australian States or just in Tasmania and New South Wales?  It sounds like he got around a bit, so could perhaps have travelled further afield before his death.  It's possible his daughter assumed he was dead (or just considered him so in her own mind), as he'd left the family and perhaps wasn't in contact with them anymore. 

Get back to me on these questions and we'll take it from there.

Cheers, Rachel
Hewson (Dublin); Beacom (Co. Tyrone), Beer (Devon); Perry (Warwickshire); Tanner (Wiltshire); Mostyn Owen (Shropshire & Wales); Coles (Somerset & London); Fox (Cornwall); Peirce (Monmouth); Tolson (Yorkshire); Haigh (Yorkshire); Lunn (Yorkshire); Neill (Co. Down); Davies (Shropshire); Dryden (Roxburgh); McVane (Roxburgh); Lillico (Roxburgh); Symington (Roxburgh); Dickson (Roxburgh).

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« Reply #78 on: Thursday 10 November 05 03:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brisgirl,
Thanks so much for taking the time to check for Edward's details and post a reply. I have actually ordered his marriage certificate so perhaps it will give me something else to go on. I have done research on all lines of my family and those of my  husband but the O'Shea line, on my husband's side, has me stumped. None of his relatives know any more than I do.
Thanks again
Regards
Riccoh

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« Reply #79 on: Thursday 10 November 05 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Never a truer word spoken when you say it is a challenge!
The story below is one written by a very good friend of ours
and is the result of many years of joint research.  It
is posted on the Australian Redcoat Regiments webpage.

The problem with James is that we do not know the
name of his parents and there are several James Waller
deaths recorded on the Australian Vital Records but
we have no way of knowing if they are our James.
We suspect his father may have been Leonard Waller
but can not be sure.

In 1851, when he is referred to as being the late
Mr Waller, all his family were living at Church Hill in
Sydney and leading a very respectable life so It is quite
 possible they had given up on him by that time, either that
or they knew something we don't!  Last year I even looked
 hopefully at a James Waller on the Staffs 1851 census thinking
 he may have gone back to England.

He really did have a serious falling out with Lonsdale
so our guess is that he had burnt his bridges in both
Sydney & Melbourne and headed to Van Diemens Land.
There are a couple of likely looking James Wallers on
the Tasmanian Archives 1842 census but if one of these
are our James and he ended his days in Tasmanian then
you would imagine a death record somewhere?

Somehow Rachel I feel we will never know the answer.

Helen
PS It's nice to be back




Born : Circa 1787
Where Born : Manchester,  England
Occupation : Soldier ,
Date Arrived : 8 July 1826
Ship Arrived on : " John Barry"
Rank attained : Weaver / Private
Date of Enlistment : Before 20 February 1826
Where Enlisted : England
Date of Discharge : 24 July 1829
Where Discharged : Sydney
Died :
Where Died / Buried :
Parents Names :

Spouse's Name : Mary Dickenson
Born : Circa . 1790
Where Born : Manchester, England
Occupation : Matron, Female School of Industry, Sydney
Date Arrived : 8 July 1826
Ship Arrived on : "John Barry "
Date Married : 16 July 1807
Where Married: Manchester, England
Died : 18 February 1868
Where Died / Buried : St Peters Botany Cemetery
Spouse's Parents : Abraham Dickenson

 
Children :
1 . James Waller (Junior)  b.1819 ....d.1871    m. Sarah Muddle 1853
2 . Martha Waller  b. 1829 ....d. 1909     m. William Beaumont 1851
3 . Agnes Waller  b.1832 .... d. 1900   m.  Charles Muddle 1854

History & Achievements :
James Waller enlisted in the 23rd Regiment of Foot, The Royal Welsh Fusiliers in 1805 at the age of 18. He served with this famous regiment throughout the Peninsular and Napoleonic Wars, seeing service in Spain, Portugal, France and Belgium and was a participant in the great Battle of Waterloo. He was discharged on 24 November 1818 and recommended to the Chelsea Hospital as deserving a pension. Life outside the army was not for James and he enlisted in the 5th Royal Veterans Battalion the following year, serving for 2 years. He followed his trade as a weaver before enlisting in the newly formed NSW Royal Veterans Company and arrived with it

in 1826 on the "John Barry". He took an early discharge, possibly disqualifying himself from the promise of a land grant, to work as a messenger in the office of the Colonial Secretary. In 1837 he entered the service of Captain Lonsdale and travelled to the new settlement of Port\ Phillip where he was briefly appointed gaoler. He disappears from historical record in a dispatch by Captain Lonsdale on 29th December, 1837 stating that "he has gone to Van Diemens Land." All attempts to trace him have failed.

Shortly after arriving in NSW Mary Waller, his wife, was engaged as Matron of the Female School of Industry, a position she held for over 10 years. This was the first charity in Australia wholly created and managed by women, with a committee of socially prominent ladies, headed by Mrs Darling, wife of the Governor. The institution was dedicated to the moral, religious and basic academic education of girls whilst training them to become household servants.  James and Mary's three children all achieved a very high level of social and economic success.

Hollinshead, Lockett, Downing, Taylor, Symcock,
Jackson, Leighton, Dodd, Boardman, Dean & Kinsey (Staffordshire)
Muddle, Hartshorne, Dickenson, Humphries, Ensbey,
Dwyer, Brindley, Gully, Hall, Williams, Coombes,
O'Connor, Peters (Australia)

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« Reply #80 on: Thursday 10 November 05 10:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rachel, I'm sending you a couple of PMs. It will take me a day or two to send everything. I'm not as organised as you seem to be. Regards, Irene