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[Shadrach]

PS

I MUST do something about my profile!!

Helen

[Brisgirl]

Hi Helen,

What a lovely photo of Alice!  Is she posing with her husband?  If you need any help in dating old photos, I can recommend these English and Australian sites:

www.rogerco.freeserve.co.uk
www.acay.com.au/~gsm/DatingPhotos.html

I feel that Hugh is probably the father of all three of the children I've found - William, John and Elizabeth - but as they weren't married when they were born, the records indicate no father.  The fact that Hugh is listed in each of the second entries perhaps suggests these were the children's christenings?  I'm not sure.  Charlotte was probably with Doidge until 1802 at the latest - he could be John's father, but not William or Elizabeth.

I can't find any entries for Doidge, Hall or Simpson in the 1790s in the NSW [& Norfolk Island] index.

My First Fleeter Elizabeth had an interesting time ... she got together with a marine, William Ellis, on the way to Australia and gave birth to a son in Sydney.  Then she was with James Tucker and had two kids with him ... he became the hangman on Norfolk Island!!!  Then she moved on to Richard Burrows and had three more children.   Both her husband Richard and son-in-law Sylvester Lush (that 40-year-old husband of Ann I mentioned) were initially sentenced to death in England for stealing sheep.  I wouldn't be here today if those sentences hadn't been commuted to transportation!

I'll let you know if I find anything else of interest.

Rachel

[Shadrach]

Your Elizabeth certainly had a busy time of
it but in those days women had little choice
other than to join forces with a male partner
if they wanted to survive.  It's a fascinating
story and one which deserves a book all
to itself.   Bit of a worry though, moving in
with a hangman! 

Yes Alice is with her husband Albert Hall whose
arrrival in Tasmania I've been searching for.

Thanks for the photo dating websites, they look
really good.  Thanks for all your help and I will certainly
 let you know when more discoveries are made.

Helen

[Brisgirl]

Hi Helen,

I did a bit of general Internet surfing this morning and came across this webpage:

http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2004/nov2004p17_1800.html

Here's a quote ...

"Fr Hardiman weaves a vast human tapestry commencing with the arrival of Charlotte Simpson on the all-female convict ship, Lady Juliana, with the Second Fleet arriving in Port Jackson in 1790 and her incarceration on Norfolk Island. Here she enters into a relationship with Hugh Maginnis, who arrived in 1791 on the Queen, the first ship with an all-Irish contingent of convicts. Charlotte Simpson has five children to Maginnis, which is the beginning of eight generations of an Australian (mainly Catholic) dynasty, numbering in the thousands ... "

Rachel

[Shadrach]

WOW!
YOU ARE A GENIUS RACHEL!!!!!!

Guess what?  As soon as I finsih writing
 this I'm off to ask our local inter-library
loan librarian to find this book! 

What would I do without you.

Helen

[Shadrach]

Hi Rachel,

Had a brain wave with Denis Dwyer!
His wife, Ellen Dwyer, died in 1900
and is buried at Rookwood. A phone
 call revealed that Denis was also
buried with her in 1921 and the NSW
BDM index had the names of his parents,
James & Hannah!   

Armed with this great clue the Colonial
Tasmanian Family Links was the next stop
and Bingo!   

James Dwyer married Hannah Lyons in Hobart
in 1839. 
AND an un-named male child, born 1842, is
linked to them


This has to be Denis so I felt I was really on a roll
and was sure I would find them on one of the
convict indexes but no such luck, and I now need to
ask help from your superior skills again if you have
 the time Rachel.

There was one James Dwyer on the CTFL, birth date
1818 Ireland, death date 1878 Tasmania
 but no other links attached to him so it's hard to tell
if it is him.  It's also possible that James or Hannah
were not convicts but the children of convicts or even,
heaven forbid, redcoats!

At least I can now send for Denis Dwyer's death
trancscipt and it may hold another clue.

Helen

[Brisgirl]

Hi Helen,

Nothing much for Jack and Hannah so far ... I haven't found birth records for either of them.  The earliest Lyons births in Tasmania appears to be Sophia and William, children of Richard Lyons and Mary Davis, both born in 1811.  After that there are no more recorded Lyons births until 1836.

Three children were born to a James Dwyer in NSW (but the mother's surname was not given, so maybe it's another couple):

Name: Edward Dwyer
Date: 1853
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Kiama, Roman Catholic
Ref. No: V18532528 70

Name: Joseph Dwyer
Date: 1857
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Shoalhaven
Ref. No: 11157

Name: Hannah Dwyer
Date: 1859
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Shoalhaven
Ref. No: 12542

There are deaths recorded for Edward and Hannah in NSW, in 1925 and 1940 respectively, as well as for William and James, all with parents listed as James and Hannah.

There were two possible James Dwyer's on the Certificate of Freedom list, just in case it's a possibility he was a convict:

Name, Ship, Date, CF No, Date, SRRef, Film

DWYER James, Marquis of Huntley, 1828, 34/0403, 14 Apr 1834, 4/4321, 992 

DWYER James, [Alias] DWYRE, Anne & Amelia, 1825, 31/0473, 10 May 1831, 4/4305, 987

Individuals with the surname Lyons feature on the Colonial Secretary's papers:

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/l/F34c_lo-ly-15.htm#P6503_228099

If you want to save a little money on the cost of purchasing the certificate for Denis' death, consider contacting Marilyn Rowan for a transcription at:

http://www.marbract.com.au/

She's very accurate and timely.  I've used her services a few times with excellent results.

I'll keep on searching! 

Regards, Rachel

[Shadrach]

As usual it's great to discuss things with you as
it triggers new ideas in my senior brain.

Yesterday while browsing I too found the
convict records for the two James Dwyers
and after further searching it seems the one
who arrived on the Marquis of Huntley stayed
in NSW continuously.

The "Anne & Amelia" James Dwyer sounds promising
but have yet to discover if this ship carried on to
Tasmania.  All evidence points to James marrying
Hannah in Tasmania plus Denis being born there but
we also know that by 1861 Denis married Ellen
O'Connor (the daughter of an Irish convict) in the Nowra/
Shoalhaven district. 

The interesting thing is your find of several children
being born to a James & Hannah Dwyer in the Shoalhaven
around the time we know Denis Dwyer to be there.
This certainly points to them being this same couple
being Denis's parents wouldn't you say?
I think another clue can be found in the way
Denis and Ellen named their children, calling one
of them Hannah and one James.

The one outstanding mystery is the John Dwyer
whose name appears on the marriage certificate
of Denis and Ellen O'Connor.  Wonder who he
was?

Denis & Ellen moved to Sydney at some stage so
tracking a death for James or Hannah Dwyer
will be difficult if he also moved from the
Shoalhaven distirct.
Thanks for the recommendantion of Marbract
I've ordered the transcript to-day.   

Ellen O'Connor's story is equally interesting.
She was born in Ireland and her father John was
transported for sheep stealing in 1837 leaving behind
a wife & a family of five children, Ellen among them.
Along with their mother Mary these children later
joined their father in 1850 and were reunited in
the Shoalhaven area.  Great story!

Helen

[sussexgirl]

Hi Brisgirl, thanks for your offer. I am looking for confirmation of the marriage of John Boyes to Sabina Meredith about 1830 in Tasmania. 

Sabina was the daughter of George Meredith, one of the first settlers in Tasmania.
Hope you can help
Best wishes
Sussexgirl