Hi Helen, no it was my mistake I meant to say that James and Eliz would have had birthdates probably in the 1840's lol. I now know after finding Arthur and Mary in the census of 1891 and 1901 that they had 2 sons and that Arthur was born in Ireland. However there is nothing at all about his parents James and Eliz. I have a feeling that maybe he alone came over from Ireland. When they married in 1887 his mum was alive but his dad was deceased. I tried to trace in the death register but nothing came up. My other option before I start to trace Ireland, is to see if they settled elsewhere in Scotland. But that would be a long shot. What do you think Helen? Regards Jo x