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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 October 05 22:30 BST (UK) »
The 1900 census for Fond du Lac Wisconsin shows Jarvis immigrating in 1854. I haven't checked his brother. Did you know that you can use census records to help you find immigration and
naturalization years for an ancestor.?

The 1900, 1910 ,1920 and 1930 census identify citizenship status, with notations showing the individual was an Alien, or had started the Naturalization process or had his final
papers. The year of immigration is also shown. 1920 also nicely provides a year of naturalization.

You can read more about the value of census records in your search for an immigrant ancestor at
http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/census.shtml

There are great clues in the 1870 census too! If your ancestor has a check mark in the  column "Male Citizens of the United States of twenty-one years of age and upwards"  you
have a clue that naturalization took place before 1870 :-)

To find out what questions were asked on various census records see http://allcensusrecords.com/

Armed with these years (be careful to add a year or two on either side of what is said in the census records) you can start your search a bit more easily


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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #10 on: Monday 10 October 05 10:06 BST (UK) »
I looked at the immigration records on Ancestry today and found a William Breeze, age 27, leaving Liverpool 21 Apr 1851 on the Conqueror.  I must admit, I didn't look at all of the entries they gave, but this one had the highest ranking of parameters that I gave.  It may be yours.  Also, I have found a William Breeze in Onondaga County New York with family in 1860 and in Cayuga County New York in 1880 with the same family.  I cannot find him in 1870.  Maybe he took a trip back to England during that time.  The 1880 census you can view at <www.familysearch.org>.  Here is the 1860 transcription------Genealiza


1860  New York  Onondaga, Manlius
Series M653    Roll 829  Page 160

Dwell# 116    Family# 116

William Breeze, 36, male, white, day laborer, $1000, $250,
                          Eng

Hannah    "     , 35, female, white, Eng

Robert      "     , 16, male, white,     "    ,  attends school

William      "     , 12, male, white,     "    ,  attends school

Christopher  "  , 9, male, white,      "     ,  attends school

Henry J       "    , 6, male, white,      "     , attends school

Alice           "    , 4, female, white,    "   

John          "     , 11/12, male, white,   "   


The 1880 census shows John's birthplace as NY.  I imagine the other children are born in NY, also. 

Hi again Genealiza,

I have been researching in the UK for this family and think I might have them.
The William Breeze and family look good but a better confirmation would be if we could find Hannah and, at least, the eldest two children, travelling to the USA  too.
I have a marriage certificate for a William and Hannah in 1844.
The two eldest children you list would have been born about 1845 & 1848 respectively.
The third could have been born in the UK ot the USA depending on when Hannah travelled out.

Would it be possible to check for travle details of Hannah Breeze born 1825 ?

Many thanks in advance.
Bruce
Bailey (Norfolk, Yorkshire, New South Wales & Iowa)
Ralph (Norfolk & Suffolk)
Neep (Norfolk, Nottinghamshire & Victoria)
Ki/etteringham (Norfolk)
Bacon (Norfolk)
Jewson (Norfolk & Wisconsin)
Breeze (Norfolk & New York)
Sanders, Wells, Cooper, Downing, Phillips (Suffolk)
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Bartter (Kent, Hampshire & Ohio)
Drake & Mitchell (London)
Davies (Swansea)
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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #11 on: Monday 10 October 05 12:21 BST (UK) »
hi there,just a small piece of advice,having tried to trace families that moved abroad,a lot of them simply disappear
from records.some move state but some even change their name,hope this is not the case for you.good luck
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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 October 05 12:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Bryso,

We hope not in this case.
We have a family listed in the 1860 census in New York and again in the 1880 census, still in New York.

We just need to find when the wife and kids travelled over if, in deed , we have the right connections
Bailey (Norfolk, Yorkshire, New South Wales & Iowa)
Ralph (Norfolk & Suffolk)
Neep (Norfolk, Nottinghamshire & Victoria)
Ki/etteringham (Norfolk)
Bacon (Norfolk)
Jewson (Norfolk & Wisconsin)
Breeze (Norfolk & New York)
Sanders, Wells, Cooper, Downing, Phillips (Suffolk)
--------------------------------------------
Bartter (Kent, Hampshire & Ohio)
Drake & Mitchell (London)
Davies (Swansea)
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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 October 05 20:40 BST (UK) »
Bruce, I had a good search at the local library.  I found both Hannah's immigration and also the 1870 census.  The index on the census lists the family as Bruse, probably took the double "e" as a "u" so that is why I couldn't find them on the index I use.  Here is what I found----Genealiza



Arrival 8 Dec 1852
Ship:  Middlesex
Liverpool to New York

male        9    Rob.           Brees       Eng      Eng     Eng
female    28   Hannah         "              "           "         "
male         5   William          "              "           "         "
male      inf    Christopher   "              "           "         "



1870   New York     Cayuga    Fleming     Page 343

Dwell# 138     Family# 137

Bruse, Wm, 47, male, white, farmer, 7000, 1000, Eng,
                   parents of foreign birth, male citizen 21 or over

            Hannah, 47, female, white, keeping house, Eng,
                   parents of foreign birth

            Christopher, 20, male, white, Eng, parents of
                   foreign birth

            James, 18, male, white, New York, parents of
                   foreign birth, attended school within the year

             Alice, 14, female, white, New York, parents of
                   foreign birth, attended school within the year

             John, 12, male, white, New York, parents of
                   foreign birth, attended school within the year

             Hannah, 4, female, white, New York, parents of
                   foreign birth

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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 October 05 22:14 BST (UK) »
"         "
male      inf    Christopher   "              "           "         "



1870   New York     Cayuga    Fleming     Page 343

Dwell# 138     Family# 137

Bruse, Wm, 47, male, white, farmer, 7000, 1000, Eng,
                   parents of foreign birth, male citizen 21 or over

         

What a good clue genealiza has found! The check mark in the column "Male citizens 21 or over" means that the individual had naturalized. So by 1870 William had his nat. papers.

You can now search for his records in New York and see what is on them. http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/ will get you started. Be sure to go to NEW YORK then ONLINE RECORDS as there are many NY nats online. If he isn't there, follow the instructions for offline searching


 
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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 October 05 12:39 BST (UK) »
I didn't see Cath's first married name so can't check for you. Do you have the family on EMERALD ISLE to NY Nov. 15, 1854? They are

Richard (Sr) 50/51, ship---
Cath, 50/51, wife
Francis 18
Bartholomew 17
Richard (Jr) 14
Hannah 12
Eliz? 29 housewife
Elizabeth 5
John 4
Rebecca 2 1/2
Jains?? John?? 2 1/2 (the age is in a different col. and further to the right in the DIED ON THE VOYAGE column is the comment "of diarrhea" so this little one died on board ship)

Hi Eillo.
I had been given some of this transcription before but not the bit about the baby 'dying on board'  We believe his name was Jarvis and he was only 2 months old at the time of the voyage.
I had assumed there was a problem as I had found the family in the 1860 Fond Du Lac census but baby Jarvis was not listed. This now confirms that he never made it on the trip.

Mant thanks, Bruce
Bailey (Norfolk, Yorkshire, New South Wales & Iowa)
Ralph (Norfolk & Suffolk)
Neep (Norfolk, Nottinghamshire & Victoria)
Ki/etteringham (Norfolk)
Bacon (Norfolk)
Jewson (Norfolk & Wisconsin)
Breeze (Norfolk & New York)
Sanders, Wells, Cooper, Downing, Phillips (Suffolk)
--------------------------------------------
Bartter (Kent, Hampshire & Ohio)
Drake & Mitchell (London)
Davies (Swansea)
______________________________

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #16 on: Monday 17 October 05 16:22 BST (UK) »
I went back and had another look at the manifest image. It does look like "Jarvis" now that you have said the name. The age however is very clear and it is 2 1/2 exactly the same as Rebecca.

So it looks like little Rebecca had a twin Jarvis who died on board
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Re: Passengers to USA in 1850s
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 09 February 06 22:01 GMT (UK) »
1900  New York  Cayuga  Auburn  Ward 9
Series T623   Roll 1012   Page 45
118 Division St.  Dwell #196   Family #234

Breese, Christopher, head, white, male, b. Sept. 1849, 50, marr 27
                        yrs, Eng, Eng, Eng, immig 1850, 49yrs, in US, NA,
                        railroad freight laborer, can read, write, spk Eng,
                        rents home

              Margarate, wife, white, female, b. May 1850, 50, marr 27
                        yrs, mother of 0 children/ 0 living, Scot, Scot, Scot,
                        immig 1867, 32 yrs in US, nurse, unemployed 7
                        months, cannot read, write, spks Eng

Corbett, Ida J, dau, white, female, b. Jan 1876, 24, marr 5 yrs,
                        mother of 2 children, 2 living, NY, Eng, Scot, can read
                        write, spks Eng

             Oliver, s in law, white, male, b. April 1871, 29, marr 5 yrs,
                       Eng, Eng, Eng, immig 1887, 13 yrs in US, NA, day
                       laborer, can read, write, spks Eng

             Evaline G, gr. dau, white, female, b. Aug 1896, 3, single,
                       NY, Eng, NY

             Herbert Alfred, gr. son, white, male, b. Apr. 1898, 1, single,
                       NY, Eng, NY


1910   New York   Cayuga   Auburn   Ward 9
Series T624    Roll 928    Page 33
24 Van Patten Street    Dwell #95   Family #102

Corbett, Oliver, head, male, white, 40, marr 1, 14 yrs, Eng, Eng, Eng
                    immig 1888, NA, spks Eng, foreman, forge shop, work-
                    er, can read, write, owns home, mortgaged

              Ida J, wife, female, white, 35, marr 1, 14 yrs, mother of 2
                    children, 2 children living, NY, Eng, Scot, spks Eng, can
                    read, write

              Evelyn G, dau, female, white, 13, single, NY, Eng, NY, spks
                    Eng, can read, write, attends school

              Herbert A, son, male, white, 11, single, NY, Eng, NY, spks
                    Eng, can read, write, attends school

Breese, Margaret A, mother in law, female, white, 58, widow,
                    mother of 2 children, 2 living, Scot, Scot, Scot, immig
                    1872, spks Eng, nurse, private families, worker, not
                    out of work on Apr 15, 1910, out of work 12 weeks in
                    1909, cannot read or write

Perry, Wallace W, boarder
          Nina I, boarder