Re: Cheshire Surname Research Ellen/James Whitby

[morgantowers]

Hi, I am looking for the parents of James ELLAMS b.1840/41 in Ellesmere Port.  On 1881 census he was down as a lighterman on the vessel "The Harriet". The census place was Whitby, Cheshire. The piece/folio No. is 3571/85.

I look forwardto your reply.
Regards,
Jill.

[lubbie]

i am researching the Griffiths Family in the Cheshire Border area with Wales in the 19th Century,and also the Griffiths Family in Ellesmere Port from 1920 to date.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham

noticed that you were looking for Griffiths and Parry from the north wales area. My grandmother Elsie may Roberts married William Ewart clegg parry and her sister dilys  married Robert Griffiths and they lived in Ellesmere port dont know if they are related to who you are looking for.

[morgantowers]

Hi William,  I live in Wrexham too.  I noticed you had sent me an email regarding Griffiths ancestors in Ellesmere Port.  Sorry, I don't know of any Griffiths' amongst my ancestors
Regards,
Jill.

[peterbennett]

Hi, I am looking for the parents of James ELLAMS b.1840/41 in Ellesmere Port.  On 1881 census he was down as a lighterman on the vessel "The Harriet". The census place was Whitby, Cheshire. The piece/folio No. is 3571/85.

I look forwardto your reply.
Regards,
Jill.

Hi Jill

         The James in the 1881 census you give details of appears to be a James Whitby not James Ellams 

         Is it me    have I drunk to much or maybe not enough.

However if it is James Whitby you are looking for maybe this 1851 census will help.

HO107-2173-F201  Ellesmere Port parish of Eastham/Whitby

James Whitby head 44 waterman born Chester
Ellen                wife 38 Frodsham
Eliza                daug 19 ~
Thomas             son 17 ~
Elizabeth         daug 14 ~
William              son 13 ~
James                       9 Ellesmere
Joseph                     7 ~
Mary E                      5 ~
Jane                         2 ~

regards

peterbennett

[morgantowers]

Hi Peter,

Sorry about the mix up of names  it is meant to be Whitby, thats the trouble when you research more than one name at a time.

Thank you so much for your help on James Whitby. It's very strange though, because I have an 1861 census on hs family which reads:

Ellen      wife 45 born on Chester  Flatman's wife
Joseph   son 17              Ellesmere Port
Mary      dau 15                    "
Jane        "    12                    "
George   son 10                    "
William     "    24             Chester

I know James (father), James (son),  Eliza and Thomas aren't on it but the places of birth differ too, which one do you think is right?

Regards,
Jill.

[morgantowers]

Hi William,

You will never believe the coincidence that happened to me today.  This morning I received through the post a copy 1861 census from a contact regarding my Whitby ancestors.  The first family on the census was:-

William GRIFFITH  Head  47  Labourer  Stoke, Cheshire
Sarah                   wife   48                       "
William                  son   15   sch.         Gt. Stanney
George               g.son    2                   Ellesmere Port

Hope this is of some help.

Regards,
Jill.

[peterbennett]

Hi Peter,

Sorry about the mix up of names  it is meant to be Whitby, thats the trouble when you research more than one name at a time.

Thank you so much for your help on James Whitby. It's very strange though, because I have an 1861 census on hs family which reads:

Ellen      wife 45 born on Chester  Flatman's wife
Joseph   son 17              Ellesmere Port
Mary      dau 15                    "
Jane        "    12                    "
George   son 10                    "
William     "    24             Chester

I know James (father), James (son),  Eliza and Thomas aren't on it but the places of birth differ too, which one do you think is right?

Regards,
Jill.

Hi

     It is not easy to judge where exactely they were born,with the children after July 1837 you should be able to find them in the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/.

    The 1871 census details that Ellen and husband James were just born "Cheshire" it is possible that earlier census refeer to Chester as the county of, rather than meaning the city,it is something that happened quite often.

    Another possibility is that Ellen was born in Frodsham, and although not living in Frodsham after her marriage she may have had her children there at mum's or at another relatives, no NHS in those days.

  Do you have Ellens maiden name, if soI could try and find her family in Frodsham,and maybe get something in the 1841 census.

peterbennett

[morgantowers]

What I know for sure is that James was born in Frodsham, not Chester.  Ellen's maiden name was Hill.  I wonder, could it be in 1871 census, do you have that one? 

Regards,
Jill.

[LordMalcolm]

Hi Jill,

Don't know if anyone is still following this thread but I recently found the following in Chester Holy trinity baptisms...

1830 - August 15 Elizabeth daughter of James & Ellen Whitby
1832 - Decr. 23 Elizabeth daughter of James & Ellen Whitby
1834 - Decr. 28 Thomas son of James & Ellen Whitby
1837 - March 31  Elizabeth daughter of James & Ellen Whitby

Seems to fit with the Whitbys of Ellesmere Port.

Regards,
Malcolm