Author Topic: Did use of Esq signify connection to Scottish clan leaders or nobility in 1837?  (Read 928 times)

Offline Galia72

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My great-great grandfather, William Sim, came from Aberdeen (am guessing the city specifically) and. was described on his wedding notice in Long Island, New York in 1837 as William Sim, Esq. As far as I can tell, he never returned to Scotland.

His father's name was not mentioned in either of his two wedding records and I have not been able to find a birth record on Scotlands People.

With the surname, Sim, is it more likely he added the Esq out of self-importance, rather than because he was the son of someone important who may not have registered his birth in 1816?

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 No ,men were described as for example - “ Mr. John Smith “ or as -“ John Smith Esquire.”

A Squire was a young boy who attended a Knight ,looking after his armour etc and who would probably be a minor landowner in time .
Esquire became a term of polite address or description especially in correspondence ,rather than denoting rank .
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I agree with Viktoria.  Back in the fifties most of my father’s mail came addressed by ether hi full name or initials followed by Esq. It has virtually died out those days, even business letters are addressed to Mr, and the letters themselves just the Christian name. Politeness doesn’t seem to exist anymore,
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

Offline HughC

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See the Wikipedia article 'Esquire' for those who were entitled to be called such,
at various times.

I'm not sure whether it says so there, but I believe it was (also) applied to a man who did not have to work for a living, because he had inherited money.
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds


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Thanks all. I thought the situation might be different in Scotland, particularly in the 1830's

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Hi,
   I would echo what others have said, I would take it as he either had independent means or was a businessman of some description. Do you have any details of his occupation?
   You say he was from Aberdeen, I would not restrict myself to just the city in your search and bear in mind that spelling could be flexible, he may not have been baptised in Aberdeen even if that is where he grew up, finally obviously he may have been flexible with his age!

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