Author Topic: From Dunfermline coalfields to Newcastle?  (Read 31 times)

Offline Mhairi28

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 118
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
From Dunfermline coalfields to Newcastle?
« on: Yesterday at 20:48 »
Baptism records in Newcastle for several children records their mother as Ann Thompson daughter of George Thompson 'pitman of Dunfermline' or 'native of Fifeshire'

Looking at the Scottish records I believe Ann was born in 1777 daughter of George, banksman at Pittfirran coal works and his wife Helen Nickson.

There are several births to this couple with a variation of spellings- i.e.Thomson & Helenor/ Helenar/ Ellender/Helender.

I have searched the Scottish records for a marriage without success but there is one in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1767 to a Helen Nixon.

George is in Scotland in 1773 when his son is born in Carriden West Lothian. His other children are born in Fife- yet his daughter Ann marries in Newcastle in 1798.

So basically I am trying to find an explanation for George's travels. Would George Thomson have left Dunfermline to work in the coal pits of Newcastle around 1767? Is it possible he married there and returned to Scotland? I have not been able to trace his other children with any certainty so I don't know if it was just Ann who went to Newcastle.

I would be grateful for a second opinion even if I am on the wrong track!!

Offline scotmum

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,780
  • A tree full of life, a life full of branches!
Re: From Dunfermline coalfields to Newcastle?
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 22:32 »
Mmmm...a tricky one. For consideration, though, is that in the timescale Scottish miners tended to have been `bonded labourers`, making it more difficult for them to just up and move elsewhere to work. See

https://electricscotland.com/history/industrial/industry1.htm

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/Salters-and-Colliers/.
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

"Trees without roots fall over!"
 
""People who never look backward to their ancestors will never look forward to posterity." - Edmund Burke

Don't just wait for the storm to pass, learn to dance in the rain.

Offline Rena

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,007
  • Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: From Dunfermline coalfields to Newcastle?
« Reply #2 on: Today at 00:14 »
My miners were later than yours and they moved for better wages and conditions; Newcastle definitely paid more than Scottish mine owners.

I found this information:-

There are extensive records of bonded coal miners in Scotland and, to a lesser extent, in Newcastle (North East England), although the nature of the bondage was fundamentally different in each region.

Scotland: Legal Serfdom (1606–1799)
In Scotland, colliers and salters were, by law, bonded to their masters, effectively a form of hereditary serfdom.

The Law: The Colliers and Salters (Scotland) Act 1606 made miners "thirled" (bound) to the pit. If a colliery was sold, the miners and their families were sold with it. A 1641 Act broadened this to include other laborers.

Records:
Estate and Colliery Papers: Detailed records exist in family archives (e.g., Rothes MSS, Wemyss papers) including "Lists of Coal Hewers and Bearers". These list names, who they belonged to, their wives/children (who worked as bearers), and their movements.
Sale of Labourers: Documentation exists regarding the sale of collieries where 40 "good colliers" with their families were valued at £4,000 in 1771.
Baptismal Records: Children were "arled" (formally bound to the master) at their christening, a custom noted in parish records.
Legal Cases: Many records exist in the Court of Session regarding the chase and return of deserted colliers.

Emancipation: The bond was broken in stages by acts in 1775 and 1799, with final liberation in 1799.

Newcastle and Durham:
Yearly Bond (18th–19th Century)
In Newcastle and the Durham area, miners were not legally bonded for life, but were instead bound by a yearly contract known as the "Pitman's Bond".

The Bond: Miners signed an agreement to work for one coal owner for one year.

Records:
Pitmen's Bonds: The North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers and Tyne & Wear Archives hold numerous original bonds. These are legal documents containing the names of the miners, the colliery, and the conditions.
Durham Mining Museum Records: Their database (Mining Durham's Hidden Depths) contains lists of workers and sample bonds from the 18th and 19th centuries.
Conditions: If they broke this bond (e.g., by striking or leaving), they could be imprisoned. This practice was abolished in 1872.
Durham Mining Museum

Where to Find Records
National Records of Scotland (NRS): Holds extensive colliery and estate records, including wage books and lists of bound miners.
National Mining Museum Scotland: Provides research guides for family history.
Tyne & Wear Archives / Durham Record Office: The main repositories for Newcastle/Durham pitmen's bonds.
Mining Institute (Mining Institute of the North East): Holds 18th-century colliery papers
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke