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Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« on: Thursday 05 March 26 06:01 GMT (UK) »
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Can someone explain to me what this means in plain English. 

Sir Philip Fettiplace was a knight, and Member of Parliament in 1302.  He held half a knight’s fee in Chalford (par. of Aston Rowant, Oxon.) and 6 virgates of land in 1290. Quitclaim by John de Cameys to Philip Fettiplace and his heirs of the manor of North Denchworth, for which quitclaim Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk (Feet of Fines, Berks, 19 Edw. I.) (a Sparrow Hawk under one year old)

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:18 GMT (UK) »
See if you can find an online electronic (searchable) version of George Turbeville's 1575
"The book of faulconrie or hauking for the onely delight and pleasure of all noblemen and gentleman; collected out of the best aucthors, asvvell Italians and Frenchmen, and some practises as withall concerning faulconrie, the contentes whereof are to be seene in the next page folowyng"

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Page 31 see 3 "Thirdlie they are called sore hawkes ...

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:37 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Can someone explain to me what this means in plain English. 

The sore sparrowhawk is just a token payment for the transfer of land, like a peppercorn, or a red rose.

John de Cameys is conveying the Manor of North Denchworth to Sir Philip Fettiplace and giving up any claim to it (1290-1291). As token payment Sir Philip was to hand over a sore sparrowhawk. It might just as well have been a rose, or a gillyflower, or something else.

The transaction was in the form of a 'final concord', dressed up as a fictitious court case, which is why no real money-payment was recorded here. A final concord was essentially a device to get around restrictions for buying and selling land.

The agreement (or 'fine') would be written out three times on the same sheet, and cut into three, with wavy lines (indented). One part would be given to each of the two parties to the agreement, and the third part, written at the foot of the sheet, would be kept with the court records known as ‘feet of fines’. The different parts could then theoretically be matched up exactly by their cut edges, in case a disagreement arose.

Illustration here …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feet_of_fines#/media/File:Final_concord_on_land_in_Lincoln_31_Edw._I.jpg

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 March 26 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Is this anything to do with soar?  In other words feathers which allow a hawk to soar in rising air searching for prey without much effort to remain aloft.  Some of these feathers may be moulted at some point in the year.

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 March 26 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Reply #2 = page 31. It should have included the continuation to page 31 which I had downloaded but forgot to attach (NOT the first senior moment of the day I may say).

Great to have the nature/significance of the payment explained. I had wondered if it was something of moment ie. a sore sparrowhawk was rarer than hens' teeth.   
 

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Re: Philip gives one sore sparrowhawk
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 March 26 19:03 GMT (UK) »
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Many thanks to all of you who assisted in my understanding of all of this including the jagged edge.

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Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh