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Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« on: Wednesday 04 March 26 17:34 GMT (UK) »
I've been researching the Kyrkes of Chapel-en-le-Frith including those that moved away. I have chanced upon the Kyrke-Smiths of West Derby going back to Henry Kyrke SMITH b 1851. He was the youngest of the children of Edward SMITH and his wife Sarah MAY. I do have tentative ancestry of this couple but neither this ancestry nor exploration of neighbours and other possibilities has uncovered the reason for the Kyrke moniker. Do you have any ideas?
This topic has been previously, incompletely covered in the Kyrkes at Gwersyllt topic in the Denbighshire section.
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 March 26 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Sarah Mays mothers maiden name perhaps

Do you have Henry’s birth certificate with Sarah as his mother?
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 March 26 21:40 GMT (UK) »
Wrong info - reply removed
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 March 26 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Henry’s birth was registered March qtr 1852 - mmn May
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 March 26 09:46 GMT (UK) »
It had been a while since I looked at this wall. On checking, I have Henry's christening -b 29 Oct 1851, chr 4 Feb 1852 at Liverpool All Saints. I had assumed I had the birth certificate but I don't. I had attributed a marriage that on closer inspection looks suspect.
The scales have fallen from my eyes, a birth cerificate is needed!
Thank you for putting me on the right lines.
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:10 GMT (UK) »
The family seem to like to use surnames as middle names:
All Smith
1844 Sarah May
1845 Kate Somers
1849  Anna Cozens
1851 Henry Kyrke
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 March 26 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Another birth with middle name

Son Thomas May Smith b 1839, Wirral
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 March 26 11:05 GMT (UK) »
The middle name may not have any actual biological relevance within the family history. 

I have 2 females in my paternal FH who were given surnames as middle names & research shows those names had no connection so were probably just good friends or neighbours of my Gt Grandparents.

My late brother was given the surname Gilchrist as a middle name which turned out to be the surname of our grandfathers sisters husband

From Heywoods reply - you will see Sarah was given her mothers maiden name as a second name
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Re: Ancestry of the Kyrke-Smiths esp the name Kyrke
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 March 26 11:07 GMT (UK) »
The 1841 has a 6yr old Edmund Kyrke living in Toxteth

Ancestry show his birthplace as Denbighshire & parents as Richard Venables Kyrke & Jane Frances Horesman.  An Amelia Horseman is shown on the 1841 entry
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