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Nathaniel Wallace
« on: Monday 02 March 26 19:57 GMT (UK) »
A second request for the brother of the above post from the same young researcher.  This one is Pvt Nathaniel Wallace - born 1891 -     Waterbeck Lackerleie Dumfrieshire
Discharge Date   14 Mar 1919 - Service Number   41793 - Corps, Regiment or Unit   Highland Light Infantry.

UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, Highland Light Infantry. Regimental Number   2902, 41793

Any military information would be appreciated.


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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 March 26 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Not sure what's being asked for.

WALLACE
NATHANIEL
COWAN
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1890
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WALLACE
NATHANIEL COWAN
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COWAN
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1981
836 / 34
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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 March 26 21:28 GMT (UK) »

Just military information of where he might have been involved on the battlefields.

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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 March 26 19:39 GMT (UK) »


Would Nathaniel have been involved in the same battle (Battle of the Lys (1918)) as brother Robert Cowan on this link ?


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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 March 26 22:27 GMT (UK) »
The picture is a little confusing. I can find no evidence of when he enlisted, but if we assume that he volunteered and joined up in Dumfries, this might have been in the King's Own Scottish Borderers which is where he ws allocated the number 2902, around the Autumn of 1914 through to Feb 1915.  He was therefore either part of the 2/5th  or 3/5th Battalion KOSB. Neither of these  battalions left the UK and their manpower was used to reinforce other units. [This part deleted in light of the information given by Neale below]
We know he was was overseas (due to being awarded the British War and Victory Medals), so he must have transferred to the HLI at some stage after completing his training. One of the references on FindMyPast mentions him as being in both the 12th and 18th Battalions HLI. However I don't think he went to the 12th Battalion (or at least not for long) because there is a record of another man named Private David Craig who was in the 12th battalion (and incidently who died in August 1917) with the number 41973 and I think it highly unlikely that there would be two men in the same battalion with the same number.  The second, and slightly less persuasive, reason is that the 12th HLI deployed to France in July 1915 and if he had been with them he would have been awarded the 1915 Star which we know from his medal card he did not receive.
If my reasoning is correct then he was part of the 18th HLI. The 18th (Service) Battalion (4th Glasgow) landed in France as part of the 106th Brigade in the 35th Division in February 1916 for service on the Western Front. Interestingly the battalion was formed as one of the Bantam Battalions. Do you know if Nathaniel was particularly short, that is to say, between 5ft and 5ft 3 inches? I can find little information about exactly where the 106th Infantry Brigade was employed, other than they took part in the battles of the Somme and Cambrai (1916) where they suffered heavy casualties.

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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 March 26 22:32 GMT (UK) »
No service records exist for Private Nathaniel Wallace.

The medal roll shows he was with -
•   King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 21st Infantry Base Depot (number 2902). This was a training and reinforcement facility located in Etaples, France.
•   Highland Light Infantry 12th battalion (number 41793)
•   Highland Light Infantry 18th battalion (number 41793)
However there is no information about when he was transferred from one to the other.

There is a Pension Record Ledger for Nathaniel which might give you more information. Unfortunately, I cannot access it on Ancestry Fold 3.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 March 26 22:37 GMT (UK) »

Do you know if Nathaniel was particularly short, that is to say, between 5ft and 5ft 3 inches?

That might be possible. His younger brother, Robert, was only 5ft 5 ½ inches tall.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 March 26 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Just a small bit of additional information
Nathaniel married Jane HENRY on 22 Dec 1911
Their first children were born in 1912, 1913, 1916, 1917. (So 2 kids born during war-time)

The next child was named after Nathaniel’s deceased brother - Robert Cowan Craig WALLACE, born in 1920.
Several more children born after that date as well.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Nathaniel Wallace
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 March 26 09:53 GMT (UK) »


Thank you both very much

The youngster will be delighted you were able to give more information.

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