John Jones

[Kay99]

And the James Jones widower in 1861 that Ladyhawk found http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8v/

[Kay99]

Possible marriages

1879 to John Henry Thomason
Edith Hesketh 44 father James Jones occ spinner
One witness Mary Ann Meadowcroft

Edith Hesketh Birth 6 May 1860
Baptism 31 Mar 1861 Hulme, St George, Lancashire,
Father Thomas Mother Edith late Jones,m, at S. Simons Salford 1853

1854 to Joseph Meadowcroft
Mary Ann Jones 19 father James Jones occ spinner

Images to view on Anc*y

I think the 1879 marriage of an Edith Hesketh to John Henry Thomason  relates to James Jones daughter Edith Jones b about 1835 as the marriage cert lists her as age 44.   Although the cert also lists her as a spinster I think she may have been previously married to Thomas Hesketh in 1853
as below from the LancashireBMD  https://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.ph

Thomas Hesketh Edith Jones 1853   Salford St Simon   Salford

Added 1881 Edith and John Henry Thomason living in Hulme

John Hy. Thomasson 44 b Manchester
Edith Thomasson    46    Wife b Manchester
Sarah Jane Charles 23 Boarder
Maria Hopwood 36 Boarder

[Ladyhawk]

John married in 1887 QLD to Ellen spooner (who is quite a mystery herself, I believe I have previous thread on here regarding Ellen).

John's occupation is listed as a miner and his father a greengrocer which matches those census records.
Witness are Charles Herbert Brerenlow and Edward Underwood.

Thanks Kay99 for adding the extra details of 1861 census for John Jones grocer

Thanks awats179 for the marriage details  - was John Jones married previously?

edit added the link to awats179 previous thread for Ellen Spooner
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=874186.0

I did find a James Jones and Elizabeth Brown in the 1851 census.

There children are as listed:

Edith Jones   17
Mary Ann Jones   15
Elizabeth Jones   11
John Jones   6
James Jones   1


Note: John migrated to Australia in 1876.

Did James & Elizabeth have another child after 1851 census or is this a different couple  - not found this George on 1861 census 

1851 Nov 5 George son of James occ green grocer & Elizabeth late BROWN m. at Cathederal 1849 abode Silver St., Hulme
Image available to view https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK14-PHHW?lang=en

His birth registration
JONES, GEORGE   mmn BROWN
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 20  Page 224   

Lancashire OPC https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html has following transcription for
James Jones & Elizabeth Brown marriage 1833 Collegiate Manchester
James occ spinner

They also have following baptisms in Collegiate Manchester parents named as James & Elizabeth

1836 Mary Ann father occ spinner abode Manchr.
1837 Edith father occ spinner abode Manchr.
1838 James father occ spinner abode Manchr.
1839 Elizabeth father occ spinner abode Manchr.
1842 John father occ spinner abode Manchr. >>>>>died 1842 b/c provided by kay99
1844 John father occ spinner abode Hulme >>>>>>                 ditto

These baptisms same parents names different occ. for father James
1846 James father occ Grocer abode Hulme
1851 George father occ green grocer abode Silver St., Hulme
(this was address on b/c for James & Elizabeth sons John Jones also living there in 1851
details posted by Kay99)

1861 census James Jones, widr. occ grocer found lodging on his own (details posted)

Marriages of some of James’ children transcribed on Lancashire OPC

1854 Joseph Meadowcroft to Mary Ann Jones her fathers occ spinner
1879 John Henry Thomason to Edith Hesketh (says spinster was married previously see Kay99 post) father occ spinner (Edith's married sister Mary A Meadowcroft was a witness) - details posted

There is a pedigree tree on family search with the above George Jones listed
you would need to verify all the info. given it also lists
John Jones b1844 died 17 Sept. 1904 Charters Towers Queensland
married Rosannah Corbett b1857 died 9 Feb 1884 Townsville Queensland
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/27LR-FT3

Rosanna Jones arrived 1876 Australia aboard Gauntlet
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/LYBH-VR1

There is also a public tree entry on Anc*y but on his death cert father is JOHN not JAMES
have listed some of the details
again info. needs to be verified - here's the link if you have access to Anc*y
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8y/

John Jones 30 Rosanna Jones 20 sailed from London on Gauntlet 18 Sept

Marriage John & Rosannah 23 Jul 1875 Manchester (no image) >>>>>>>>>not finding a Jones/Corbett 1875 marriage entry on FreeBMD

1904 Australian death cert for John Jones parents JOHN Jones, miner mother Eliza BROWN

1904 death John Jones http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8x/
Also says his son James Normanby Jones died 7 January 1921 Queensland
father John mother Johannah Corbett

Find a grave burial John Jones born c1844 d1904
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184520970/john-jones

I will take a further look when I have more time

[Ladyhawk]

We know James & Elizabeth’s daughters Edith & Mary Ann married and they can be found on 1861 census

Mary Ann Meadowcroft (nee Jones) has 3 children by 1861c
Elizabeth age 4, Elizah age 2 & Lucy age 6 months
3 more by 1871c
William age 8 Thomas age 3 & Sarah age 1

Edith Hesketh (nee Jones) has 2 children by 1861c
James L(ee) age 6 & Edith a 11 months
1873 marriage of James Lee Hesketh age 22 witnesses were Joseph & Mary Ann Meadowcroft

Found a possible marriage for Elizabeth dau of James & Elizabeth
20 th April 1857 Joseph Thompson 28, carder
Elizabeth Jones 17, 2 Well Street Hulme
father James Jones, Green Grocer

Joseph & Elisabeth have a son George W Thompson age 1 on 1861 census living 2 Well Street

If we have the correct James Jones, grocer on 1861 census he is a widow - when and where did his wife Elizabeth Jones (nee Brown) die

and

Where are these Jones children in 1861?

John born c1844, James born c1846 & possibly George Jones born c1850
none are with their married sisters  Edith, Mary Ann or Elizabeth on 1861 census

[awats179]

Hi, thank you for all your help.
John did have a previous wife, Rosannah Corbett. I haven't been able to find their marriage record.
And yes, I have seen John jones death cert. 1904. I do believe the name is wrong as is the amount of time he had been in Qld. 
I do think George Jones born in 1851 is a part of this jones family....is it possible they may have encountered poverty after the death of Elizabeth Brown? I might look into workhouse records for them.