John Jones

[awats179]

Hi all,

I've been trying to research my ancestor, John Jones. On his marriage certificate his birthplace is listed as Manchester, Lancashire, England. In 1887 his listed at 41 making his birth date around that 1846 +/- 2. His parents are listed as James Jones and Elizabeth Brown. I've found 2 John Jones that are born in 1842 and one in 1844. Both with the mother maiden name as Brown! in the same place as well: Hulme. I also found their baptism records at the Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire cathedral. Both sets of parents have the same names. I've tried to find the families in the 1841 census so I can distinguish but can not locate them. I did find a James Jones and Elizabeth Brown in the 1851 census. There children are as listed:

Edith Jones   17
Mary Ann Jones   15
Elizabeth Jones   11
John Jones   6
James Jones   1

I have found these names in the baptism registers at the same cathedral, but there are also a number of other Jones children with the same parents.

Note: John migrated to Australia in 1876.

Can anyone help me find my John Jones or find the family in the 1841 or other census?

Kind regards, Adriana

[Kay99]

1841? Living in Deansgate, Manchester

James Jones   30 Cotton Weaver
Elizabeth Jones   25
Edith Jones 8
Mary Jones 6
Elizabeth Jones   2
Edith Jones 60

[Kay99]

Have you tried using the GROBirth Index to check which child had the mothers maiden name Brown https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp  Free to register and use   I can't access it from this computor 

Added - Sorry from rereading your post you already used this to find their mother's maiden name was Brown

[Kay99]

I think the 1842 and 1844 births you found in the GRO Birth Index are for the same family and the earlier John died the year he was born.

Possibly death for the first John
 JONES, JOHN        0 
GRO Ref: 1842  Sept Qrtr CHORLTON  Vol 20  Page 174

I had a look at both birth certs on the Birth Index - parents James and Elizabeth Jones (mn Brown) -   addresses on both certs were listed as 65 Silver St Hulme - the address where the family you posted were living in 1851.   On the 1844 birth cert the birth date is listed as 8 June 1844 and the father James was a Green grocer

[Ladyhawk]

1841? Living in Deansgate, Manchester

James Jones   30 Cotton Weaver
Elizabeth Jones   25
Edith Jones 8
Mary Jones 6
Elizabeth Jones   2
Edith Jones 60

For info. this could be the baptism for James

James Jones Birth 10 Oct 1808
Baptism    21 May 1809 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father John Jones Mother Edith

The 1851 census mentioned address 65 Silver St.
James Jones born c1809 Manchester occ green grocer

Is this the same James 1861

James Jones Lodger Widr. Age 50 born Manchester occ grocer
1861 c Piece   2803 Folio   5 Page number   4

1841? Living in Deansgate, Manchester
James Jones   30 Cotton Weaver
Elizabeth Jones   25
Edith Jones 8
Mary Jones 6
Elizabeth Jones   2
Edith Jones 60

Possible marriages

1879 to John Henry Thomason
Edith Hesketh 44 father James Jones occ spinner
One witness Mary Ann Meadowcroft

Edith Hesketh Birth 6 May 1860
Baptism 31 Mar 1861 Hulme, St George, Lancashire,
Father Thomas Mother Edith late Jones,m, at S. Simons Salford 1853

1854 to Joseph Meadowcroft
Mary Ann Jones 19 father James Jones occ spinner

Images to view on Anc*y

Added

John Jones Birth 17 May 1842
Baptism 17 Jul 1842 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father James occ spinner Mother Elizabeth

John Jones Birth 8 Jun 1844
Baptism 21 Jul 1844 Manchester, Lancashire
Father James occ spinner Mother Elizabeth abode Hulme

I think the 1842 and 1844 births you found in the GRO Birth Index are for the same family and the earlier John died the year he was born.

Possibly death for the first John
 JONES, JOHN        0
GRO Ref: 1842  Sept Qrtr CHORLTON  Vol 20  Page 174

I had a look at both birth certs on the Birth Index - parents James and Elizabeth Jones (mn Brown) -   addresses on both certs were listed as 65 Silver St Hulme - the address where the family you posted were living in 1851.   

On the 1844 birth cert the birth date is listed as 8 June 1844 and the
father James was a Green grocer

[Ladyhawk]

I've been trying to research my ancestor, John Jones. On his marriage certificate his birthplace is listed as Manchester, Lancashire, England.

When and who did John marry?
What occupation was given for John and his father?
Who witnessed the marriage?

[awats179]

Thank you for all your help.
It does make sense if the two John Jones are in fact from the same family. Are you able to provide the links to these census record as when I search for them, I get no results. Not too sure why.

Edith Hesketh? From the census records I can see an Edith Jones born around 1835. Could you please explain what you mean?

Kay99, you said you viewed the birth certificates? Was this on ancestry?

John married in 1887 QLD to Ellen spooner (who is quite a mystery herself, I believe I have previous thread on here regarding Ellen).
John's occupation is listed as a miner and his father a greengrocer which matches those census records.
Witness are Charles Herbert Brerenlow and Edward Underwood. 

[Kay99]

Apologies- I was going round in circles and ended up getting the digital images of the birth certs off the GRO Birth Index which hopefully are attached below

[Kay99]

This is hopefully a link to the possible 1841 census for James Jones and family on Anc
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8u/