Melling in Lonsdale, 1733 Marriage Bond, SMITH & WEBSTER

[jonwarrn]

Well the text may imply that Ellen's husband John Smith was still alive in 1796?
Which seems unlikely.

There is another John Smith of Arkholme burial at Melling though, on 29 June 1770
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5fd1f34bf493fd4c3b5e1233

An administration for John Smith, Gentleman.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-SQ1F

Reverse says
October 20th 1770
William Smith the Administrator within bounden was sworn well and truly to administer the Goods and personal Effects of John Smith his late Father

[lancsann]

fron lan-opc

Marriage: 15 Apr 1733 St Wilfrid, Melling in Lonsdale, Lancashire
John Smith - Archolme
Isabel Webster - Archolme
    Register: Marriages 1636 - 1752
    Source: Private Transcription

[jonwarrn]

Burial of Wm Smith at Melling in Lonsdale, 24 Dec 1819
Age 75
Abode Arkholme
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/60d1a230f493fd08bdd63ef9

This seems to be his very long will
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-SQ8H-P?view=fullText&lang=en&groupId=

[jonwarrn]

Lastly, can anyone come up with a burial for Isabel before John remarries in 1740?

Is it possible that it was a different John Smith who married Isabel Webster in 1733?

There is a burial at Melling, 28 October 1768, of an Isabel Smith of Arkholme
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5fd1f343f493fd4c3b5e1190

PR here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBR7-FB2

I guess it would make her in her mid 70s by then.

[Rowan Tree]

It would not surprise me if the k were dropped, but I was hoping someone from Lancashire might comment on this.  (I'm from Yorkshire.)

Thanks, Molly,

I'm from Merseyside, which was part of Lancashire but doesn't have the Lancastrian accent I believe we're both thinking of.

BTW: Sincere apologies for my neglect of this thread. For a while, I've been unable to access RootsChat. I was repeatedly receiving error messages every time I tried to log in, which I reported. Hopefully, fingers crossed, everything is now back to normal.

Kind regards,
Rowan Tree 🌳

[Rowan Tree]

A will of Ann Bordrigge of Whittington, Widow, proved in the Archdeaconry of Richmond, Lonsdale Deanery
Dated 29 October 1749
" I give and bequeath to my Grand daughters Mary Ann and Alice Smith Daughters of my Daughter Ellin Smith..."
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VC-GYHW?view=fullText&lang=en&groupId=

Jon, this is absolutely superb! A very well done on finding this.

Thanks so much.

Kind regards,
Rowan Tree 🌳

BTW: Sincere apologies for my neglect of this thread. For a while, I've been unable to access RootsChat. I was repeatedly receiving error messages every time I tried to log in, which I reported. Hopefully, fingers crossed, everything is now back to normal.

[Rowan Tree]

Smith Family of Arkholme
https://archive.org/details/chethammiscellan590manc/page/n67/mode/2up

Next image has a pedigree chart for the children of John and Ellen
The three daughters, plus a son William (he died unmarried)

I'm about to check this out.

Thank you so much for your help.

Rowan Tree 🌳

[Rowan Tree]

Is it possible that it was a different John Smith who married Isabel Webster in 1733?

There is a burial at Melling, 28 October 1768, of an Isabel Smith of Arkholme
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5fd1f343f493fd4c3b5e1190

PR here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBR7-FB2

I guess it would make her in her mid 70s by then.

I've been wondering this. It's absolutely a possibility.

The John SMITH who married Isabel WEBSTER in 1733 was from Arkholme. So, parish wise, it's a fit. That doesn't mean it's the same man, though. They could have been cousins (or unconnected John Smiths).

The 1733 marriage and the 1740 marriage are close enough in time to plausibly be the same groom.

I've, so far, only found one child for John and Isabel SMITH. I'd expect to find further children unless a spouse died or if the couple moved away. They are not the only two reasons why no further children could be born, though.

The burial you've highlighted is very interesting. Thank you for this.

I'm going to reassess the first marriage. I really am wondering if this is just a completely separate John SMITH.
This is the difficulty of researching someone with the name John SMITH. The time period doesn't help either.

Rowan Tree 🌳

[MollyC]

I'm from Merseyside, which was part of Lancashire but doesn't have the Lancastrian accent I believe we're both thinking of.
BTW: Sincere apologies for my neglect of this thread. For a while, I've been unable to access RootsChat.

No need to apologise.  I think we were all having access problems for a couple of days, now thankfully resolved.

I know for example, the accent in southern Yorkshire is poles apart from the North Riding, which verges towards the sound in Co. Durham.  The north Lancashire accent must be verging on Cumberland, which is very different from both Manchester and Liverpool, where I spent time as a student.  It is these local pronounciations of place-names which may be varied and unexpected.