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Possible Date of House on High Street, Newton-le-Willows. John Johnson
« on: Friday 20 February 26 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm not sure if anyone can help with a possible date of a house, but I thought I'd give it a whirl.

My ancestor, John JOHNSON (1798 - 1874) was the town cooper in Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire.

John's father, another John JOHNSON (1766 - 1839) was the town's cooper before his son.

This John was also the son of a John JOHNSON (1735 - 1820) but I've not worked out his occupation yet.

John (1798 - 1874) was born in, lived all his life in, and died in Newton-le-Willows.
NOTE: Newton-le-Willows is also known as Newton-in-Makerfield.
On the 1841, 1861, and 1871 censuses, John and family are living on the High Street.
In 1851, the family is living at Church Street (very close to High Street).
John's death certificate recorded High Street.
John's wife, Mary nee JACKSON (1796 - 1870), also has High Street on her death cert.

A book called "Newton-in-Makerfield: Its History With Some Account of its People" by John Henry Lane, first published in 1914, mentions "Jacky Johnson," the town's cooper, living at a specific house on the High Street called the "1600 House".

After looking through the censuses, looking at maps, and finding any anecdotal evidence I could, I've established that the house John JOHNSON lived in on High Street was the house that was locally half-jokingly referred to as the "1600 House."

The house eventually got house numbers and was numbered "37 & 39."

Finding photos of the long since demolished house is very difficult. The best I could do is attached to this post.

Would anyone be able to hazard a guess as to the house's approximate age or tell me anything at all about it from what you can see in this photo?

From the 'L' shape of the house, I've been able to spot the house in the position of 37 & 39 High Street on an 1850s Legh Estate map and an 1845 OS map.

If there is any additional information I can provide, please don't hesitate to ask.

Many thanks,
Rowan Tree  :)
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Possible Date of House on High Street, Newton-le-Willows. John Johnson
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 February 26 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Here's the 1850s map. I've added arrows pointing at the house.
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Possible Date of House on High Street, Newton-le-Willows. John Johnson
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 February 26 06:21 GMT (UK) »
It is difficult to see the details but there could be the ends of multiple cantilevered joists showing under the jetty of the small triangular half timbered feature. It could therefore be a medieval timber frame building from the 1600's with some later additions.

This page has a reference to a house dated 1600 in the High Street

https://newton-le-willows.com/?p=888


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jettying


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Re: Possible Date of House on High Street, Newton-le-Willows. John Johnson
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 February 26 15:25 GMT (UK) »
It is difficult to see the details but there could be the ends of multiple cantilevered joists showing under the jetty of the small triangular half timbered feature. It could therefore be a medieval timber frame building from the 1600's with some later additions.

This page has a reference to a house dated 1600 in the High Street

https://newton-le-willows.com/?p=888


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jettying
Thank you. This is very helpful.

Kind Regards,

Rowan Tree  :)
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN