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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 21 February 26 21:44 GMT (UK) »
I found a tree on family search

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8l/

and had a look at the sources for William; there is a Buenos Aires Census 1869 sourced which looks like the 3 brothers together, census image

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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 21 February 26 23:24 GMT (UK) »
I found a tree on family search
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8l/
 
 and had a look at the sources for William; there is a Buenos Aires Census 1869 sourced which looks like the 3 brothers together, census image
 
 Guillermo Richmomd
 
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8m/
 

Thank you willsy! That 1869 Census is a fantastic find. It perfectly matches the siblings we saw in the 1851 UK Census.
A few interesting details I noticed in that image:
  The Ages: They match perfectly with the birth years we found for Henry (c. 1832), Joseph (c. 1834), and William (c. 1841).
  • Henry’s Status: He is listed as a Widower (V - Viudo). This suggests he might have married and lost his wife before 1869, possibly in England or shortly after arriving in Argentina.
  • Occupation: They are all listed as 'Hacendados' (Landowners/Ranchers), which aligns with the social standing of a Solicitor’s family.
  This confirms that the brothers emigrated together (or followed each other) to establish themselves in the cattle business.
Since they were 'Hacendados' by 1869, I suspect there might be land records or a probate file (succession) in Argentina. I am currently contacting local archives in La Pampa and Guaminí to find William's death record.
Thank you again for linking the family so clearly!
Walter
England & Isle of Man: RICHMOND, HALL, CROSER, OLIVER
France: SERRES CASSABÉ, DAUPHIN, LAPLACE, LAPLASSOTTE, LARRIEU, BOUÉ, GODET, GARNIER
Austro-Hungarian Empire, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic: HEINDL, JOB, KRAUS, BERNKLAU, PROCHÁZKA
Argentina: RICHMOND, HIDALGO, REGALADO, MARTINEZ

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 February 26 20:28 GMT (UK) »
You're welcome and thank for the translation, my daughter was not here to help!
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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives


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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 February 26 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Found an announcement for Henry in the Newcastle Journal

06 February 1864

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Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
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Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 February 26 21:15 GMT (UK) »
...and below sadly in the deaths

06 February 1864

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Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
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Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 February 26 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Passenger list for Joseph, 2 records

http://www.entradadepasajeros.com.ar/vas.php

Death of Francis in the paper as Hale

1 Jul 1859



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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 February 26 22:17 GMT (UK) »
There is an administration record for him dated 21 May 1887, address here as 1 High-West-street, grant to his sister Mary Elizabeth Richmond, spinster, 3 Jesmond Terrace, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

Just can't find anyone 1861 ???
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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: From Isle of Man to Gateshead (1851) and the journey to Argentina
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 February 26 23:45 GMT (UK) »
Passenger list for Joseph, 2 records

http://www.entradadepasajeros.com.ar/vas.php

Death of Francis in the paper as Hale

1 Jul 1859


Thank you again willsy!

If I am not mistaken, you are referring to the Newcastle Journal newspaper record, which is linked to the following FamilySearch link:

British Newspaper Archive, Family Notices
Francis Hall Richmond, Esq – Date of death: 1859 - Place: Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPCN-LHD6

I don't have access to the image associated with this one. Thank you very much for sharing the screenshot.

I also couldn't find any of the Richmonds in the 1861 census on FamilySearch. They appear directly in the 1871 census.
England & Isle of Man: RICHMOND, HALL, CROSER, OLIVER
France: SERRES CASSABÉ, DAUPHIN, LAPLACE, LAPLASSOTTE, LARRIEU, BOUÉ, GODET, GARNIER
Austro-Hungarian Empire, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic: HEINDL, JOB, KRAUS, BERNKLAU, PROCHÁZKA
Argentina: RICHMOND, HIDALGO, REGALADO, MARTINEZ