Dafydd ap Griffith of Gelliffrydiau 1620

[Penybryn]

Dafydd ap Griffith (born about 1620) and his wife Elin of Gelliffrydiau, Dyfryn Nantlle, appear on dozens of family trees on Ancestry.  On many of these he is shown as the grandson of Ieuan ap Morus/Evan Morris of Methlan and his wife Blanche Williams.  However the link between them is not clear and I can’t find any reference to it anywhere else.  If anyone could help solve this mystery as to why so many people feel they are related, I would be very grateful.

[collwyn ap tangno]

Hi, yes 500 plus trees!

It’s because it’s in T Ceiri Griffith’s Achau book.

Abbreviated to TCG.

Many people have copied directly from it. They may not be related, they just like building trees (!) or click on suggested links without checking.

I did a quick search on Griffith’s pedigrees for Gelli Ffrydiau. Nothing in his book.

[collwyn ap tangno]

Just checked: TCG doesn’t go further than David Griffith.

His father would be Griffith ap something or variations of that spelling.

I’ve scrolled through the many many many trees linking to him. Most miss the patronymic system so most have got it wrong. If TCG stops going back, it means that the reader should then go to JEG Pedigrees or he couldn’t find anything definitive. He’s not perfect though, there are mistakes, sometimes you can go further.

[Penybryn]

Thanks so much for checking.  Yes I have Achau and Griffith’s Pedigrees.  Dafydd is on table 1 of TGC, and Ieuan ap Morus is on the Methlan page of Pedigrees, but I can’t find any links between them. Annoying as Dafydd and Elin are definitely my ancestors and were very rich for the period and their children were well educated so definitely came from gentry stock. Our family farm is close to Methlan so it would be great if Dafydd’s family came from there and he was a descendant of Collwyn ap Tango through Meirion Goch. Ieuan did have a son called Gruffydd ap Ieuan/Griffith Morris who married Mary Wynn but Dafydd is not listed as a child in the pedigrees. He could have been a child of an earlier marriage, or more likely was illegitimate, if there is a Methlan connection.  I would love to find out who first made the link on Ancestry and why.  By the way I am related to Collwyn ap Tango through Daffydd ap Gruffudd’s great grandson's wife.  She was a descendant of Meirion Goch’s brother Gwgan.  Does your user name mean you are a descendant? 

[collwyn ap tangno]

Yes, every lineage in Eifionydd seems to end up at Collwyn Ap Tangno.

Methlen rhoshirwaen? Mae mam o Bodferin, merch cae hic.

Hwyl

[Penybryn]

Ia, Rhoshirwaen.  Yn 1610 ‘nath Katherine v. James o Bodferin briodi Robert ap Howell o Penybryn.  Byd bach! 

Hwyl

[collwyn ap tangno]

Pawb pen yna yn ddisgynyddion Trahaearn Goch debyg.

Mae drafodaeth yma’n ddiddorol:

https://darrell75657.tripod.com/centerforthestudyofancientwales/id119.html

Roedd teulu saethon mor sicr a Deuheubarth nid collwyn oedd eu llinell fe ddefnyddion nhw llew yn eu arfbais.

Hwyl

[collwyn ap tangno]

 dyma tudalen methlan JEG…dim byd amlwg

Wedi edrych yn llyfr Gleanings From God’s Acre am Aberdaron…dim byd

Llyfr Eifionydd colin Gresham…dim byd

[Penybryn]

Diolch am chwilio. 
Dw i wedi darllen llawer o bapurau Darrell Wallcott ac dw i’n meddwl bod ei ddadleuon yn gwneud llawer o synnwyr. Gaeth arfbeisiau ddim eu creu tan lawer yn ddiweddarach felly ella bod rhai teuluoedd wedi gwneud camgymeriadau! Mi oedd Syr John Wynn yn meddwl ei fod yn ddisgynnydd i Owain Gwynedd, ond naeth Darrell Wallcott awgrymu ei fod yn ddigynnydd i Cadwgan ap Bleddyn.  Diddorol iawn.  Ond yn anffodus dim papurau am Dafydd ap Gruffudd!
Hwyl