Menzies family of Tynemouth

[trish1120]

Yes naming pattern can help;

So we have;
THOMAS bapt 1816
JANE c 1820 buried 1835 age 15
GEORGE 1821 buried age 9 weeks
ROBERT 1826 appears on Census with Father 1841/1851
ANN c 1827 buried age nearly 10
JOHN 1830/1 on Census with Father also

I see a Tree has Jacob Hopper Menzies also.

If only baptisms could be found

[mulberry-rose]

Looks like Jacob is linked through a marriage record;

Thomas Menzies single (son of Robert) m. 2 February 1847, Tynemouth to Elizabeth Taylor

Jacob Hopper Menzies single (son of Robert) m. 18 July 1859, Tynemouth to Jane Smith

Possibly another daughter too;

Mary Menzies (dau of Robert) single m. 2 March 1840 to Hugh Dingwell

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Robert Dingwall bap 4 April 1841, Chatham Kent, son of Hugh and Mary

Mary Dingwall b. abt 1844 Ireland (in 1851 census)

Isabel Dingwall b. 18 Oct 1848, bap 24 Oct 1848 at Christ Church, dau of Hugh (soldier) and Mary

Isabella Dingwall buried 5 Sep 1849 Christ Church, Tynemouth aged 10mths day of Hugh & Mary

Mary died 1 February 1850, aged 32 at Tynemouth. Obit in the Newcastle Chronicle.

1841 Hugh’s at Chatham Barracks Kent
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKP-T95?lang=en&cid=fs_copy

As is Robert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKP-T54?lang=en&cid=fs_copy

In 1851 Hugh (b. 1809, Scotland) is a widow living at Billy Mill Lane w/ Robert & daughter Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6Q-GFD?lang=en&cid=fs_copy

In 1861 he’s at Newcastle Street Tynemouth now with son Robert with him
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NT-Z1P?lang=en&cid=fs_copy

[jonwarrn]

Yes naming pattern can help

Who are Mary's parents supposed to be?

[trish1120]

A Tree has her Parents as THOMAS/ANN, Ann nee Codling.

Thomas/Ann did bapt a Daug Mary 22 Feb 1795 but Thomas was a Labourer.
(FreeREG)

F/S has a Mary Christening  25 December 1793 Christ Church, Tynemouth to JACOB/JANE
Wife maybe Jane NEWTON, married  17 February 1793 Jarrow, Durham

He was likely bapt 13 Dec 1772 Father Jacob a Farmer

May be more likely I think?

[Gabriel 54]

Robert Menzies 1791-1876 married Mary Hopper 1792-1832 daughter of Jacob Hopper, farmer, 13/12/1772-  and (marriage 17/2/1793, Jarrow)Jane Newton, 1771-1822. The name Hopper continues down the Menzies family for several generations.
There has been a study of the Hopper family, tenant farmers of the Dukes of Northumberland, with a very good genealogy going back to the early 17c. I found it on ancestry - and then Google books. For some reason specific birth/baptism dates seems to elude me.

[Gabriel 54]

Yes naming pattern can help;

So we have;
THOMAS bapt 1816
JANE c 1820 buried 1835 age 15
GEORGE 1821 buried age 9 weeks
ROBERT 1826 appears on Census with Father 1841/1851
ANN c 1827 buried age nearly 10
JOHN 1830/1 on Census with Father also

I see a Tree has Jacob Hopper Menzies also.

If only baptisms could be found

Thanks again for this - getting quite full my menzies family tree!

[Gabriel 54]

Jacob Hopper, Farmer, and Jane Newton, if you are referring to Mary Hopper

If not Mary Menzies is daughter of Robert Menzies and Mary Hopper - there is quite an extensively researched genealogy of the Hopper family - they were tenant farmers of the duke of Northumberland - about 400 acres.

Gabriel