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Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« on: Saturday 07 February 26 18:30 GMT (UK) »
I’m trying to find out about Alexander Mitchell my GggGrandfather. According the parish records of Cortachy and Clova he died in December 1833 shortly before the birth of his illegitimate son James Mitchell on January 1st 1834. The mother was Ann Orchardson. Aside from this passing reference I can’t find any other information about his death. (I’ve downloaded the document from Scotlands People)
In the minutes of the Clova and Cortachy session it was noted on 18/8/1833 that Ann Orchardson had appeared before the session to say she was pregnant by Alexander Mitchell who was living at Dameye(?) Kirriemuir.
On some of the genealogy sites(Ancestry etc)  there’s a suggestion that an Alexander Mitchel who was born at Forfar in 1815 is the father. However he seems to appear in the 1841 census. He would also have been about 8 years younger than Ann who was born in 1807. So I’m ruling him out. (Because of the census more than the age.)
I’ve looked on Scotlands people and there’s a long list of Alexander Mitchells and Mitchels who could be my Ggggrandfather. I’m wondering if anyone has any suggestions for how to whittle it down.

TIA

Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 February 26 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Probably not very useful but this shows where this Dameye is https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO3952 - there is at least one other Dameye that I know of.
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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 February 26 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Previous thread, to avoid duplication.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=872487.0
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 February 26 23:27 GMT (UK) »
    Alexander Mitchell my GggGrandfather. According the parish records of Cortachy and Clova he died in December 1833 shortly before the birth of his illegitimate son James Mitchell on January 1st 1834.

Can you please provide a link to the record which gives Alexander Mitchell's death.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 February 26 10:52 GMT (UK) »
How stupid of me! I had completely forgotten about the other post.

The info about his death is from the Parish Records for Cortachy and Clova in Scotland’s People. You don’t find it if you search for his death as it’s the first sentence of the entry for James Mitchell’s birth. ‘This child was a born a few days after his father’s death.’
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 February 26 11:12 GMT (UK) »
I can’t manage to upload the rest of the entry it’s too big.
The next entry after James Mitchell’s birth is for Alexander Grant and his wife Anne Orchardson but no record anywhere of the marriage. It looks as though Cortachy and Clova only recorded births.

On James Mitchell’s wedding certificate his father’s occupation is ploughman. This would tie in with him living at Dameye in August 1833 when the Cortachy and Clova session wrote to Kirriemuir session asking that he attend Cortachy as Anne was claiming he was the father child she was expecting.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 February 26 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Probably not very useful but this shows where this Dameye is https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO3952 - there is at least one other Dameye that I know of.

I was thinking that’s probably the one.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 February 26 12:04 GMT (UK) »
I’m not particularly clued up on agricultural practice in the 1800’s but I’m assuming that being a ploughman was a job that required some skill. If you were working on a farm would you progress from labourer to ploughman? If so what would be the earliest age someone would considered a ploughman. I’m trying to eliminate some possible Alexander Mitchells by reason they are too young.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: Death of Alexander Mitchell 1833 Brick wall
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 February 26 12:56 GMT (UK) »
The next entry after James Mitchell’s birth is for Alexander Grant and his wife Anne Orchardson but no record anywhere of the marriage. It looks as though Cortachy and Clova only recorded births.
Yes there is a record of their marriage. I posted it for you in your previous thread.
Ann ORCHERTSON to Alexr GRANT. 19 Dec 1835.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)