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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #72 on: Sunday 01 March 26 11:22 GMT (UK) »

He was born in Liverpool July 17 1859
Father David E Brown handled real estate of the Corporation of Liverpool and a highly prominent official.
Educated at private schools in his native city and Crosby Grammar School for Boys.
Then engaged in agricultural pursuits in southern England

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This is looks interesting.
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #73 on: Sunday 01 March 26 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Yes, a well to-do family but not sure about their finances once the father died young and unexpectedly.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #74 on: Sunday 01 March 26 11:32 GMT (UK) »
And another find:
1911-06-12 Chicago Tribune
Ivy Isabell Caldwell obtained a scholarship for University of Chicago
Edit: actual wording 'The scholarship to the University of Chicago from the Frances Shimer School, Mount Carroll, Ill., has been given to Miss Ivy Isabel Caldwell of Chicago.'

She got married in 1914, three years later.



Pleased to see a mention of Capt William Caldwell in South Bend in 1902 - that was a good find.  :)
Your friend was very busy taking clippings yesterday

The scholarship from Francis Shimmer School should have been on your timeline for a newspaper article dated 8 June 1911 -  reply  30 on the original thread in February 2024.
Marvellous to remember these things from 2 years ago.  :)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880505.27

The other completed thread "William Caldwell" was the one used because we couldn't attach records to the long look up board thread.  One of those attachments was the Apprentice's Indentures for Merchant Navy UK for William Caldwell.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880729.msg7718005

Sandra

Your memory is impressive!  I must have missed this entry completely about the scholarship or just forgotten it.  :(

Pleased to say I hadn't forgotten about William Caldwell being in the merchant navy.  However I wonder if he might have moved to the military navy later? Did that ever happen? Perhaps in wartime.

ADD: looking at the 1911 newspaper article, I didn't appreciate that the wording meant she'd got a scholarship to the University of Chicago. The announcement is a bit convoluted isn't it?  I thought it just meant she'd graduated from Frances Shimer with scholarship honours but didn't really understand the information.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 01 March 26 11:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes, a well to-do family but not sure about their finances once the father died young and unexpectedly.

Its not just about income but how children were brought up in ways to live and do things.

Far from working class families, where a child would see mum putting bread in the mince meat making to make the shepherds or cottage pie go further.   ;D
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #76 on: Sunday 01 March 26 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Known as the Frances Shimer Academy of the University of Chicago.

This article might give an insight .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Shimer_College

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2181.html

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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #77 on: Sunday 01 March 26 12:05 GMT (UK) »

In reply 66 you queried this about John M Brown.

1910 - book keeper for Machine Co (census; also stated arrived 1875) - was that Singer Machine Co?

" In 1910, Buffalo, New York, was home to several notable machine companies, contributing to the city's industrial development "

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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 01 March 26 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Known as the Frances Shimer Academy of the University of Chicago.

This article might give an insight .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Shimer_College

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2181.html

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Thanks Sandra - useful insights and explains the connection between the Shimer College and the University of Chicago.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 01 March 26 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Yes, a well to-do family but not sure about their finances once the father died young and unexpectedly.

Its not just about income but how children were brought up in ways to live and do things.

Far from working class families, where a child would see mum putting bread in the mince meat making to make the shepherds or cottage pie go further.   ;D
We used to put bread through the mincer to make sure every last bit of meat was pushed though
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #80 on: Sunday 01 March 26 15:33 GMT (UK) »

Did you read about those employers mentioned in the obit, quite interesting ?

Clement Studebeck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Studebaker

Singer Manufacturing South Bend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer_Manufacturing%E2%80%93South_Bend_Lathe_Co._Historic_District

Marvin Campbell Hardware

https://www.historymuseumsb.org/campbell-box-and-tag-company/

21 Mar 1920
South Bend News-Times(South Bend, IN)

BULLYING is the use of force, coercion, hurtful teasing, comments, or threats, in order to abuse, aggressively dominate, or intimidate one or more others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual.

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