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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #18 on: Friday 20 February 26 17:21 GMT (UK) »
I think your Elizabeth King theory has merit as Janet being Milliner in London (and later in the USA as a shared business in Millinery) as a business woman supports a theory of Janet being well enough off to pay for someone to look after her child Ivy in Brentford.

Though Sandra could be right and Janet did take her daughter to the USA in 1893 (It makes sense )

That gap time period 1893 to 1900 ish of Ivy as an infant in the USA, for a business woman Janet who in later as far as you know put Ivy in a boarding school seems the sort who would pay for a child carer nanny or nurse to look after infant Ivy in the USA ? or was it Elizabeth King in the USA.

Janet reminds me of her in this link, she never had time for her kids.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSbwRYZd1wEd4ZdbTScyv9jgoAu6NrjRbdkc10vhwEjhSijP6L

To a not very bright census enumerate in a certain need to cover ground of a lot of houses on his route - could have considered a nanny as a nurse. ( nursery)

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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #19 on: Friday 20 February 26 17:33 GMT (UK) »
We only know that her occupation was a milliner, not that she was in business as a milliner, and only from Ivy's birth cert.  Janet didn't appear in the records as a business owner in the USA until 1896.  Which of course doesn't mean she wasn't in business earlier in either country.  I can't find her in Middx trade directories for millinery or anything in the newspaper archive online for the Newnham address.

In the census, the enumerator has written nurse followed by another word that has been obliterated behind later marks, and the addition of sick.  As opposed to a wet nurse or children's nurse, I suppose?  She could have been nursing mother not baby, or both. I'll put it on the handwriting section later. 

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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #21 on: Friday 20 February 26 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the links.  Just need to find the time.  I did look at some on the leicester.ac.uk site.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #22 on: Friday 20 February 26 22:07 GMT (UK) »
As a reminder, there is a Janet Brown who could be the right person on the Gallia heading for Indiana in March 1893.  Right age, and her brother in Indiana already. 2nd class cabin.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6BK-16G?lang=en
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #23 on: Friday 20 February 26 23:52 GMT (UK) »
I've got all your emails and links thank you, but I suggest keeping all our comments  and post on here for other members to see rather than going to emails.

From Original documents

Thinks I've noticed a few things already from page 50 onward to page 62 and beyond

Janet Brown was travelling cabin class (first Class) (indirectly would support business woman theory) and she a had 2 baggage's with her.

If you go to page 64 - children are recorded at all ages, also on some pages just gives the child age  in months out of 12 (written like a fraction in maths ) like 9/12 = example 9th month of the 12 month or 1 year

Also on other pages post 50 onwards, the children are listed in family order with the fathers full name (with surname) the rest other family are first names of the wife & children with ditto for their surname under father surname. Or Mother surname if the father is not traveling with his family.

I noticed Janet occupation was single woman but 2 passengers below was Rachel Hamm a Milliner
 (I wonder if they were traveling together ??? )

So I'll look for any Ivy's aged 2 or 3 tomorrow but not that hopeful as I think Janet Brown was travelling alone.





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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 21 February 26 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the fresh set of eyes although I think Rootschatters (Jonwarm?) did scrutinise this document a good while ago.

This record is an arrivals document.

I’ve just found on FindMyPast another passenger record that’s for departures that lists her as Janet I Brown and gives her ticket number. Only her travelling on that ticket.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 21 February 26 08:20 GMT (UK) »
In both passenger records she is in the 2nd class cabin list.
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Re: Janet and Ivy BROWN (or THOMPSON) leaving the UK for N. America? 1890s
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 21 February 26 08:36 GMT (UK) »
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=896916.new#new For deciphering Elizabeth King’s occupation. 
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