Gallagher - Rodgers

[Neale1961]

BelfastBoy
I am treading carefully here because we cannot name people who are still living, and I don’t know (or need to know) your family story.

Are there children from your father’s other marriage who may have grown up knowing their grandmother, Catherine Gallagher?  - where she lived in old age, and where and when she died.

I can see that there was at a daughter from the marriage of Robert RODGERS with Esther SPENCE. That child was born in Birmingham in 1955 and was named after her grandmother Catherine.
I also see that Esther died in Belfast in 1962.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204636963/esther-rodgers

Is it possible that grandmother Catherine returned to family in Ireland after her husband had died in 1965?

Maybe some looking in old newspapers for death notices / obits could help.
Just a few other thoughts for you to consider and maybe explore.

[gaffy]

Sorry if this is old ground but in 1911, next door to Patrick Bradley, Bernard and Elizabeth (Bradley) Doherty and young Catherine Gallagher at no. 78 Long Tower Street was the Gallagher family at no. 76 Long Tower Street, comprising Alexander Gallagher (absent), his wife Winifred Crossan and family and what looks like mother Crossan.  When Alexander and Winifred married in 1892, it was witnessed by a Lizzie Bradley (the same one who went on to marry Bernard Doherty?).

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__2_/Long_Tower_Street/602589/

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10623/5870371.pdf

All common names of course and ripe for co-incidence.  Anyhow, I couldn't find anything obvious to connect young Catherine to these Gallaghers, but since I couldn't see any explicit reference to the "next door" Gallaghers posted thus far, I'm just offering it up in case anyone wants to try and have more success.

[BelfastBoy56]

Apologies for delay in getting back to everyone, as a newbie I am amazed and grateful for the lengths you all go to providing help, also apologies for repeating any facts but I’ll to reply to latest posts.

shanreagh:
We are looking for my grandmother’s details, Catherine/Kathleen Rodgers, formerly Gallagher.
I have now verified most facts about my grandfather Robert Frederick Rodgers, with exception of his army details which I am in the process of tracking down.
Getting back to my grandmother, the only known facts are her marriage 1929 in Derry; 1930 listed at Pontefract Barracks; my father’s birth 1931 in Derry and listed at addresses 1954-1965 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. I have no other details at all so looking for birth, death, possible second marriage, electoral listing between 1931 and 1954 or after 1965.

Wexflyer:
Good point, will certainly go down this route in PRONI.

Neal1961:
Regards to other family members, not an avenue I can explore as estranged for over 40 years now.
It is unlikely, but not ruling it out that Catherine might have returned to Ireland, and I will certainly look to research newspapers for both Ireland and England.

gaffy:
Over the weekend I have been looking for Gallagher families in the area.

[heywood]

Have you thought of a DNA test?
Do you know when and where Catherine/Kathleen died ?

[BelfastBoy56]

Will look into any DNA links, never thought of that,  and only known facts surrounding Catherine start with marriage in 1929, stating father unknown  and end with electoral roll address in 1965 which is making tracking her down very hard as we are all finding out 

[Jon_ni]

Esther Rodgers that died 20 May 1962 aged 30. Belfast Telegraph 21 May 1962.
https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=BL/0002318/19620521&page=2
20 May at Belfast City Hospital, Esther, wife of Frederick Rodgers. Funeral from her late residence 57 Hooker Street tomorrow (Tuesday) to the City Cemetery. Regretted by Husband and Family, also Father, Mother, Brothers and Sisters.

She is the only one in the plot, no subsequent interments.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6899.1387
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/27917593

There is no death for a C or K Rog begins with on GRONI 1965 up to 1976 [excluding a Newry death 1966 aged 59 & two born pre-1900]. Feb 1976 the latest we can search from home and finding a newspaper notice in newspapers without a year/date is often hard. Nothing on Everafter leaps out in the various Council cemeteries elsewhere in N.I.
British Newspaper Archive has the local weeklies + Belfast Telegraph and News Letter. The Irish News the Catholic orientated paper is only on Irish Newspaper Archives. If Catherine did die in Belfast she might have been interred in Milltown and records for there are not online.
Derry Cemetery records online only run to 1961 https://www.derrystrabane.com/services/cemeteries/cemetery-records

Re Wills: PRONI has paper copies of Wills & Admins, but only to 1965 indexed online, thereafter have to order using references found in the index - the bound Yearly Calendars of Wills on the shelves and consult in person, likely not practical, or pay them to.

Obviously she might not have died in N.I or not as Rodgers. However, a couple of 5 year range searches by GRONI would cost you £14 and the index info they email back with results would have date of death, DOB (as supplied by informant, DOB's replace age 1973), so enabling a home birth search on GRONI & IrishGen. I think are enhanced index results so may include marital status also widow/married.
1976-1980 inclusive followed by 1981-1985 takes you to when she was c.80. From their email reply with index results you get the option, if desire, to purchase one cert for £8 more. With death date could narrow down newspaper searches to 2 to 3 days, just reading rather than relying on OCR to have picked up.
See Elwyn's reply https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849427.msg7168488#msg7168488

[BelfastBoy56]

Thank you Jon_ni for in-depth reply. Much appreciated. Will certainly take a closer look at all info supplied over the coming days and follow any avenues I can.

[Neale1961]

In the absence of a civil birth registration for Catherine Gallagher, I wonder if a baptism record might be found for her.
There are records online for Long Tower Church, Derry.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0373

Baptisms appear to be available up to 1900
 https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0373&parish=St.%20Columb%27s,%20Derry%20city

Perhaps someone here might know if it is possible to access anything after 1900.

[Jon_ni]

Not from home, when John Grenham refers to the The Genealogy Centre, Derry he means RootsIreland. Here is their own coverage list (the same) transcribed from the registers directly rather than from the NLI's microfilm https://rootsireland.ie/derry/online-sources.php

JG is missing an a = St Columba's [differentiates it from St Columb's the nearby Anglican catherdral].
Would have to contact the Rev Gerard Mongan / Parish Secretary https://longtowerchurch.org

Historic, opened 1788. History via above and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Columba%27s_Church,_Long_Tower