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A major new AI capability
« on: Wednesday 04 February 26 09:31 GMT (UK) »
I didn't know where to put this article because it's not really a technical one, and it certainly isn't totally off topic. It's about a fascinating new development in artificial intelligence, not quite available yet, but can you imagine how this will change research using websites like Ancestry, My Heritage, and Find My Past. The concept is basically one of letting your browser have your details to log into these websites, which possibly won't make the website happy, but you then let it run amok doing its own research.

https://www.ghacks.net/2026/01/30/chrome-gets-smarter-gemini-can-now-browse-the-web-for-you/

Like with any new technology there is going to be a period of teething troubles but just think what it could mean.

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 09:49 GMT (UK) »
The problem with AI like that is that it chooses the most available information rather than understand the reasoning.  I recently posted some research on Facebook about a specific topic to my local area.  Further research has led me to change some of it: despite that AI tells me the incorrect info from the FB post because that is the first and easiest evidence it has found.  Ancestry is great but Geneweb is poor as it repeats errors made by people copying errors.  I have been transcribing C18 wills in Somerset from Ancestry scans.  The AI translation is only 80% correct and I need to amend every will because AI cannot read it or translates it out of context based on its own incorrect predictive text.

When I here politicians that AI are going to sort out the NHS treatmentof cancer on the news this moring I seriously wonder what planet these idiots are on to rely on a useful but flawed tool. 

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 11:12 GMT (UK) »
but can you imagine how this will change research using websites like Ancestry [...] just think what it could mean.
Lots of rubbish created by AI instead of humans on Ancestry, I suspect.
If you could keep the AI away from people's personal trees, and make it stick to the source information, maybe you would get something useful. But to me, the key to successful genealogy is not thinking in straight lines, but using lateral thinking and investigating hunches, neither of which AI is any good at currently. Even if we get AGI in the next 5-10 years, I doubt that it will think or reason in the way (most) humans do.

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 11:26 GMT (UK) »
I've read the above comments and totally agree, but this is leading-edge technology, and it is going to steadily get better.  Just think how much AI has changed in the three and a bit years since Chat GPT first appeared. It's got to the stage where it's a lot more accurate than some of the semi-literate, ill-informed responses on Facebook.

Just imagine AI, learning to behave like an experienced researcher, able to tell the difference between 20 copied trees and one carefully researched one.

And just imagine what could be possible with AI analysing somebody's DNA match results.  I spend a lot of time looking at mine but I actually wonder whether I should stop, find something else to do for the next five years, and then rely on AI to do in a couple of hours what I could spend the next five years doing.

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Genuine question...
And where would be the fun in that?
Where would that rush come from that you get when you resolve a mystery you've been chasing for months/years? That emotion when you see an ancestors record appear on the screen in front of you, after resolving that mis-spelling / pseudonym.
It might satisfy the "I want my family tree in a day" brigade. But....

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 12:21 GMT (UK) »
"And where would be the fun in that?"

Precisely.  The detective work is the fun.  An AI bot is not fun.  Equally, bots can crawl through the web and produce a classification of all living things, their geographic distribution, their life histories, their behavior and their morphology, but it is much more rewarding and enjoyable to actually look at animals and plants in person.
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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 14:08 GMT (UK) »
They are good points, I like a challenger as much as the next man, but there are certain gaps in my research that I would like solving, so that I can get on with the rest of my life.

We've all sat for hours, pondering over the last clue in a crossword, before wondering whether to go for the dictionary or wait for tomorrow's answers.

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 14:30 GMT (UK) »
My son-in-law makes a great deal of use of ChatGPT and will vigourously defend its capabilities. My own experience of AI relates principaly to its use in family history research, and it is in this context that I find that any reliance on it is profoundly disturbing.

Simple queries on the internet these days respond at the top with AI generated results. I find that without exception that these results are wrong. However, the way the information gained by AI is presented appears to be authoratitive and it is only by being knowledgable in the specific area of research that the diecrepancies and absolute errors in the response can be identified. A non-specialist may well accept the AI response to be accurate, and if the respose is repeated, then the mis-information becomes spread more widely, and worringly, it starts to attract a cloak of truthfulness.

The use of AI in places such as Ancestry, etc., I think is not entirley clear, but probably does lie behing the so-called "hints". When I use Ancestry in my research, I find that often the majority of the hints are completely wrong. However, it is unsurprising that these hints are sometimes seen in public member trees  accepted without any validation whatsoever, leading in one case to a mother giving birth over one hundred years after she had died! The hints also lead to a reactive and lazy form of research rather than a proactive one where information obtained is forensically evaluated to determine whether or not it supports the research or otherwise. That is not to say, however, that Ancestry's hints do not sometimes provide valuable information from sources that might otherwise be overlooked, and other avenues for research that might not otherwise have been considered.

I general, I have not found AI to be of any particular benefit in my own research; effective and successful research requires, like most things in life, simple dedication and hard work, and not a little imagination.

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Re: A major new AI capability
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 February 26 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Should have saved this topic for 1st April.

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