CARL LUDWIG CHRISTLIEB GOLZ, married in Germany before emigrating to Queensland

[GeoffTurner]

Hi all,

I was hoping someone might be able to help me with a tricky problem I am having. It is complicated by father and son having very similar names (but they are definitely two people) and a death registration giving the same name, Wilhelmine Muller, as both the wife and the mother of one of the men. A coincidence? Or a mistake?

The death certificate of the son, Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz, says he died on 11 Feb 1912 at Glenore Grove near Laidley, Queensland, Australia. He was aged 78 years, 11 months and 14 days. (Born 28 Jan 1833, from another source.)

It says his parents were Carl Ludwig CHRISTLIEB Golz and Wilhelmine Muller. He was born in Damlang, Germany (now Deboleka, Wielkopoloskie?) but had been living in Queensland for 26 years. He was married at Damlang at the age of 21, to Wilhelmine Muller. His living children were Auguste, 49, and Emilie, 47.

On Emilie's marriage and death certificates it says her parents are Carl Golz and Wilhelmene Muller. So that is a reference to Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz, since we know she is his daughter from Carl CHRISTIAN's death certificate.

On the death certificate of Wilhelmina Golz, who died at Glenore Grove on 29 June 1916, it said she married twice in Germany before coming to Australia. First to Gottlieb Kruger; then to Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz.

It seems to me based on that evidence that Wilhelmine Muller was the wife of Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz, but not his mother, despite what the certificate says. My theory is that Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN's mother -- Carl Ludwig CHRISTLIEB's wife -- may have been named Wilhelmine, but her surname was not Muller.

I think the informant, Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz's grandson, did not know her maiden name and thought it was Muller, confusing his grandmother and great grandmother.

I was wondering if anyone would have access to German marriage records from (presumably) before Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz's birth in Jan 1833?

I'd love to know if Carl Ludwig CHRISTLIB Golz's wife was indeed Wilhelmine, but with a different surname, and if that has caused this confusion. 

Thanks,
Geoff Turner
Brisbane, Australia. 

[cupoflife]

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GD2X-ZJ7
Ernestine Wilhelmine Müller 'Minnika'
about 1826 – 29 June 1916
(Also Known As Wilhelmine Müller)
Ernestine Wilhelmine Müller 'Minnika' was born about 1826, in Lüben, Deutsch Krone, West Prussia, Prussia, Germany as the daughter of Johann Müller and Charlotte Stiheter. She married Karl Wilhelm Krüger before 1858, in Lüben, Deutsch Krone, West Prussia, Prussia, Germany. They were the parents of at least 2 daughters. She immigrated to Australia in 1882 and lived in Minden, Queensland, Australia in 1884 and Plainland, Queensland, Australia in 1903. She died on 29 June 1916, in Glenore Grove, Queensland, Australia, at the age of 91, and was buried in Plainland Lutheran Cemetery, Plainland, Queensland, Australia.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6Z7C-DSZF?lang=en
2nd marriage 20 May 1861 to Carl Ludwig Christlieb Golz (age 27; estimated birth year 1834)
Event Place: Lüben, Deutsch Krone, Westpreußen, Preußen, Deutschland

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204025160/wilhelmine-golz
Wilhelmine “Minnika” Müller Krüger Golz
Father: Johann Müller
Mother: Charlotte Stiheter
First Spouse: Karl Wilhelm Krüger
Second Spouse: Carl Ludwig Christian Golz
Children:
1. Emilie Auguste Bertha 'Bertha' Krüger (Mrs J. Kitzelmann),
2. Wilhelmine Pauline Albertine Krüger (Mrs C. Staatz),
3. Auguste Emilie Golz (Mrs. J. Müller) &
4. Emilie Friedericke Albertine Golz (Mrs C Stuhmcke).

[GeoffTurner]

Yes, that's Minnika. But I am almost certain her husband was Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz, not his father Carl Ludwig CHRISTLIEB Golz, for the reasons I have outlined. I am trying to determine the name of the father's wife.  It's Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz who was born in 1833 and married Minnika in 1861, despite FamilySearch giving the wrong name for her spouse (it's confusing, I know).   

[GeoffTurner]

Find a Grave has the correct second husband.

[aahume]

Death registration: Queensland State Archives
Carl Ludwig Christian Golz
Death date:11/02/1912
Mother's name:Wilhelmine Muller
Father/parent's name:Carl Ludwig Christlieb Golz
Registration details:1912/C/1929

Not sure if this helps but details on death certificate are only as accurate as the person giving them knows.

[wivenhoe]

  Who are the informants on the death certificates?

 

[GeoffTurner]

Yes, I have a copy of the registration, that index just repeats the information (and error) on the written certificate. His wife was Wilhelmine Muller. It would be an amazing coincidence if that was his mother's name as well, although it may have been Wilhelmine, which led to the confusion.  The informant is Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz's grandson H.H. (Harry) Stuhmcke.

[fiddlerslass]

Dammlang is part of this parish

Evangelische Kirche Haugsdorf (Kr. Deutsch Krone). Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1799-1859. Salt Lake City, Utah: Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1987. 1 reel of microfilm. Transcribed parish register births, marriages, deaths for the Protestant Church of Haugsdorf, Westpreußen, Germany; formerly called Polnisch Fuhlbeck and now called Iłowiec (Wałcz), Koszalin, Poland. Includes records from Hansfelde (Kłosowo), Neuguth (Leśnictwo), Büssen (Busino) and Dammlang (Dębołęka). Other records included with those of Latzig-Langhof. Mikrofilm aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Archiwum Państwowe w Koszalinie.

The above film is only viewable at Family History Centres.

Were the family Protestant?

[GeoffTurner]

Yes, Carl Ludwig CHRISTIAN Golz and Wilhelmine Muller married in the Evangelisch Church 2, Luben (now Lubno, Poland), when he was 27 years old.