Thompson / Barry family 1800s Bristol, possible Irish ancestry

[willsy]

Gro deaths

HABERFIELD, ELIZABETH       71 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61

According to the newspaper, Isaac died at Valognes de la Manche, near Cherbourg and was the nephew of the late Mr. Andrew Haberfield of Redliffe Parade.

Sorry it's not nearer Barry again 

[Discoveringmypast]

Good morning willsy

Thank you for new info on the Haberfield/Haverfield branch, I've added it to all the other info received to sort through!

Great help from RootsChat members, hopefully more Barry info will also turn up!

[Discoveringmypast]

Been going through all the details you've found for me which have been very interesting!

But have also been trying to concentrate on Elizabeth Barry (born Aug 1838 baptised Sept 1838) parents John and Elizabeth, mostly because she's (hopefully) my direct line.  There is a GRO birth for a Elizabeth Barry 1838 Bristol which I've found and I may order a digital cert although the mother's surname is missing.

I just can't understand why, as a baby and then a young child, she wasn't with either of her parents in the 1841 or 1851 census and ! still can't find her in 1861 census, 2 years before she married Edwin Thompson.

Because she wasn't in the 1841 census it crossed my mind that she had died and therefore wasn't my ancestor?  Because the parents seemed to move around, having children in different places, Thomas and Mary Ann in London, Bartholomew in Somerset etc, I'm not sure where she may have died - if that's the case.  Can't find a burial either.
 

[willsy]

Just noting these for MMN and trying to work it out!

Elizabeth 1838 no MMN

BARRY, BARTHOLAMEW       HABERFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in OF WELLS UNION  Volume 10  Page 491

***BARRY, ELIZA       HABERFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION  Volume 11  Page 272

Joseph 1844

BARRY, WINEFRED  ELIZABETH        HABERFIELD
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION  Volume 11  Page 260

Is there an address on the 1863 marriage certificate for Elizabeth?


***ADDED There is a navy record on the National Archives for Bartholomew Barry no. 25643; enters service 20 Nov 1855 for which there is a downloadable record, same birthdate as baptism, born Clifton, Glouces.

[Discoveringmypast]

Yes, I had started to do the same, listing the children and noting the maiden name!

The addresses on the 1863 marriage certificate are unfortunately a bit vague for Elizabeth and Edwin, it 'Stokes Croft, Bristol' for both of them, that's under St Paul's I think.

[Discoveringmypast]

Just a quick update, I ordered the GRO digital cert for the Elizabeth Barry born Bristol 1838 to see if it is my Elizabeth but it's not 

She was born 30.12.1838 St Peter's Hospital
Father Thomas Barry - occ Porter
Mother Elizabeth looks like 'Pound' but very hard to read, definitely not Haberfield.

Very disappointing, have no idea where to find my Elizabeth's birth record to confirm she matches the catholic baptism and daughter of John Barry!  Where was she 1841 census - 1861 census?!

[willsy]

So sorry to hear it wasn't the right one.

I've searched so many avenues and decided to comeback to Cahill because of the Thompson  Catholic records and found the Cahill marriage in the non-conformist records for Bristol, don't know if it will help but I can't think of anything else

1 June 1868 Holy Apostles
Jacobum Cahill
Harriettam Barry father Joannis Barry

Wits.Guliemus Murphy, Emilia Lewis

[Discoveringmypast]

Good morning

Thank you for continuing to look, it's much appreciated

I had a similar day yesterday but it's very frustrating finding no confirmation of Elizabeth anywhere before her 1863 marriage.

I've looked into the Cahill connection again but can't seem to connect Harriet Barry to the family I'm looking for.  Before her 1868 marriage Harriet Barry was in the 1861 census with her widowed mother Mary (who was born Ireland), Harriet born Bristol.

Can't find either of them before 1861 or Harriet's baptism which would have been around 1839.
 

[Discoveringmypast]

Hi
Here is an update on my continued search for the elusive Elizabeth Barry, my 2x ggrandmother, as I seem to have taken a step backwards.

While trying to find Elizabeth in ANY census prior to her 1863 marriage, I came across this:

1861 census Eton, Buckinghamshire
James   Dalley   Head   44   1817   Horse dealer   Bristol
Eliza   Dalley   Wife   46   1815   -      Bristol
Eliza   Barry   Stepdaughter   Unmarried 22   1839   Bristol
George   Barry   Stepson      Unmarried 20   1841   Bristol
Benoni Jane   Brown   Daughter in law   Unmarried   27   1834   Bristol
Emma   Webber   Servant   19   1842   General servant   West Drayton, Middlesex

As a ‘wildcard’ I searched backwards for Eliza Dalley, and discovered she got remarried to James Dally 1846 Bristol.

I also found 2 CoE baptisms for her children Eliza and George.

St James, Bristol
Eliza
Born 13.08.1838
Baptised 20.02.1848
George
Born 24.01.1841
Baptised 20.02.1848
Parents: John and Elizabeth Barry Father's occupation: Tailor

Eliza’s DOB caught my eye as it’s the same date as ‘my’ Elizabeth’s catholic baptism in St Mary on the Quay, Bristol (which stated DOB 13.08.1838 baptism 24.09.1838 parents Joannis Barry and Elizabeth Barry (her maiden name was left blank).

So I looked up Eliza’s and George’s GRO births in Bristol and both showed the mother’s maiden name as Brown.

Given this new information of the mother’s maiden name and father John’s occupation of Tailor, it looks very likely that what I thought (and hoped) was ‘my’ Elizabeth’s birth and catholic baptism in 1838 Bristol is not correct as it looks like a different family!

Which means I will have no information for Elizabeth prior to her 1863 marriage.  Can anyone have a look and see what they think?

Thank you