Hanna Shawcross - anyone here researching this lady born possibly Altrincham.

[Essnell]

Hi David,
first:  I have questioned the religion side quite a lot. 

My grandmother Ellen, attended a Chapel in Cullingworth. she was awarded a book, a novel a romantic one which surprised me.... I read it and it was quite a good story.... the chapel was next to a small school and that was attached to a church. i cannot remember what .

I did try to find out more about this as i believe it may have been Quaker or Ebenezer mission. 
i was particularly drawn to this given there was no recorded marriage, i also neve was able to find a way to access any records. 

Add this to the mix.  In 1881 both John Craggs and Fanny were up in Overwryesdale.  As John was a mason his work took him to many places. Fanny ran a bording house. I think john lived in one of the huts that were providedby whomever was employing him.  it may have been for the weir at Overwryesdale or more viaducts.   The boarding house gave them a living. 

Now with Fanny were the 5 children and all were enrolled as this school :Cawthorne's Endowed School, abbeystead. 1674-2014.  The date tells Wwhwen i researched this. the school exists and I have photos of it. It's lovely. It's small.

i found the children on the school register for approximately 2 years.  1800-1882. the interesting part is that this school was setup by Quaker people back in 1674 and only caters for Quaker Children.  I have down loaed a 46 page  document on the history of the school. 

Does this mean that John and or Fanny were Quakers?   
I might be wrong here but if either John or Fanny was a Quaker there were restrictions as when etc they could marry if at all.  I do not know enough to make a call on this.

John came from Cumberland, Penrith area and this area, I have been led to believe, has/had a significant Quaker presence form a long time in the past.


Re the Lowe records-  if she is still with Lowe in 1891 that rules her out as my Fanny / Massey/ Craggs in question died 1886. 
I have just messaged the manager of the DNA match back to Booth . She hales from nottingham .
This might be helpful we shall see. .....Food needed....


Essnell.

[wivenhoe]

  *  Cheshire Parish Register Database   
      https://cheshireparish.csc.liv.ac.uk/Live/v3.6/database.html

 *    Baptism at parish   ROS   residence  Mere
 MASSEY Sarah     baptised  7 Jul 1833    ps. James / Hannah

 MASSEY George   baptised 14 Jun 1835  ps. James / Hannah

 MASSEY Fanny     baptised   6 Aug 1837 ps. James / Hannah

 MASSEY Elizabeth Ann  baptised 8 Dec 1839  ps. James / Hannah

 * Ancestry Census England 1841   township of Mere Cheshire
  SHAWCROSS  Fanny  60y     ind
  MASSEY James          30y     ag. lab.
  MASSEY Hannah         30y
  MASSEY Sarah              8y
  MASSEY George            6y
  MASSEY Fanny              4y
  MASSEY Elizabeth         2y                              all born in county

 * Ancestry Census England 1851   Hulse Heath   Mere Cheshire
 MASSEY  James  wdr      farm labourer  40y                       b. Knutsford Cheshire
 MASSEY  Fanny                                   13y                       b. Mere Cheshire
 MASSEY  Elizabeth Ann                         11y                      b. Mere Cheshire
 SHALLCROSS Fanny   wd.  mother-in-law   74y                  b. Rostherne Cheshire

 * Ancestry Census England 1861   Hulse Heath Mere Cheshire
 SHALLCROSS Fanny   wd.  86y      widow of farm labourer  b. Rostherne
 MASSEY Fanny          g.daughter  23y  unmarried               b. Rostherne
 MASSEY Elizabeth     g.g.dau      1y                                   b. Lymm Cheshire
 

[wivenhoe]

 *  Cheshire Parish Register Database   
      https://cheshireparish.csc.liv.ac.uk/Live/v3.6/database.html

   Parish ROST  26 Sep 1832
   MASSEY James          (X)       residence  ROSTP
   SHALLCROSS Hannah (X)       residence  ROSTP
  witnesses  Thomas LEIGH     James HEWITT

[Essnell]

hi Wivenhoe,
Thank you for both posts. 
the second one is interestnig.    Breaking it doen a bit:---

1841 census.

60yr old Fanny Shawcross of independent means.

Then married couple  James Massey and Hannah Massey.   [ is her mother Fanny Shawcross?]

then the couples children Sarah * George 6fanny E and Elizabeth 2. 

By1851     
James Massey is a widower so Hannah has died. 
 The children are now :
Fanny Massey 13.
Elizabeth 11     what happened to this child?

Then Fanny Shallcross     and she is a widow and she is 74. and mother-in-law.  So she would be deceased Hannah's  mother. 
If this is the same person as Shawcross ?

Then in 1861
Fanny Shallcross is 86 widow   to whom was she married??? 
her grand daughter Fanny Massey 23 who now has a child
Elizabeth 1 year.     gt grand daughter

therefore : If this is the right family ? ?  Fanny Massey in 1861 is still in Mere Cheshire with her grandmother. She must have subsequently married either Kelley or Craggs  or partnered both or either..

Here's the snag:  My Fanny Massey was in 1860 having a child Joseph in Basford which has been posted above.

As I said it always looks great but it never quite fits. It is just so frustrating. 

Essnell.

[wivenhoe]

  *  Census 1881 at Abbeystead for CRAGGS family, mother Fanny and five children, has Joseph age 11y....so born ~ 1870

 Is this your family?

[Essnell]

Oops!! 10yrs out of wack aren't I. Sorry.  Okay. So can you find a way of connecting this to that.   The family in Overwryesdale 1881 is the one. Referred to in big post to "David" re religion. 

If fanny at age 23 in 1861 she would be what in 1886....48 yrs I reckon.   So my person was 49 yrs. 

Can you see if this Lady married again at all.  Who was the father of g.g.dau Elizabeth?
That might help. 

Did Fanny Shallcross ever marry anyone else? Have you any idea of what religion this family were?
So many unknowns here.
 I am sorry about my brain laps.   
Essnell.

[valk]

William Holt and Fanny are living in Lymm in 1871.  They have an 11 year old daughter Elizabeth which seems to match up with Fanny's illegitimate child born in Lymm in 1859. So I think this rules out living in Mansfield and having Joseph in 1870
She married William Hoult in warrington August 12th 1861. (fathers name James)
There was a fanny holt of the right age buried in Lymm in 1882.
Therefore this is not the fanny massey you are looking for - she could not have become fanny craggs.

[Dundee]

Then in 1861
Fanny Shallcross is 86 widow   to whom was she married??? 
her grand daughter Fanny Massey 23 who now has a child
Elizabeth 1 year.     gt grand daughter

Fanny CRAGGS and Fanny HOLT are two different women.  Fanny HOLT has her 11 year old daughter Elizabeth living with her in 1871.

By1851     
James Massey is a widower so Hannah has died. 

The children are now :
Fanny Massey 13.
Elizabeth 11     what happened to this child?

Elizabeth had two illegitimate children, William Gordon in 1867 and Emily in 1868.  The children are in the Altrincham workhouse in 1871 and then with their mother in 1881.

Elizabeth married James SHORE in 1872 at Stockport and in 1881 she is living in Marple, Cheshire.

Debra 

[Dundee]

I have two DNA matches that might be useful.....

He has James Booth 1844-  married to Hannah Massey -- this person was born 1845 Kirkby Bleak Hall, Nottinghamshire.   Hannah is said to have died 1887, Basford, Nottingham.

Hannah born 1845  gr ref:  1845 June Quarter, Basford MMN Wilton V 15 p468  I have not found a Massey /Wilton marriage. But could she have had a younger sister???

The surname should be WELTON.

John MASSEY married Ann WELTON in Kirkby in 1833, which takes you back to reply #11

Frances Massey born Kirkby in Ashfield in 1838 Does that seems likely?  Not in GRO but in Nottinghamshire  baptisms in FindMyPast.

William MASSEY
Baptism Date   8 Jun. 1834
Baptism Place   Kirkby in Ashfield, St. Wilfrid, Nottinghamshire, England
Parents John and Ann

Mary Ann MASSEY
Gender   Female
Baptism Date   22 May 1836
Baptism Place   Kirkby in Ashfield, St. Wilfrid, Nottinghamshire, England
Parents John and Ann

Frances MASSEY
Baptism Date   11 Mar. 1838
Baptism Place   Kirkby in Ashfield, St. Wilfrid, Nottinghamshire, England
Parents John and Ann

MASSEY, ELIZABETH
Mother's maiden surname: WELTON 
GRO Reference: 1840  J Quarter in BASFORD Volume 15  Page 440

MASSEY, PETER
Mother's maiden surname: WESTON 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 15  Page 453

MASSEY, HANNAH
Mother's maiden surname: WILTON 
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 15  Page 468

MASSEY, SARAH
Mother's maiden surname: WESTON 
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 15  Page 392

1841 census
Selston
Piece 861
Book   1
Folio   12
Page number 17

1851 census
Selston, Notts
Piece 2125
Folio   85
Page number 25

1861 census
Selston
Piece 2432
Folio   42
Page number 38

Debra