Author Topic: Robert Kearns  (Read 315 times)

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,902
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 25 January 26 22:18 GMT (UK) »
Well Done Heywood. I think that is him.

The constant large variation in surname spelling for all of this family makes it all very challenging.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,902
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 25 January 26 22:47 GMT (UK) »
This might be Arthur in the 1901 census.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Castledawson/Ballymaguigan/1541791/

NO NOT CORRECT - read forward.

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

Offline heywood

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 43,068
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 25 January 26 23:22 GMT (UK) »
I was just searching the very same thing but found him in 1911. So that is not the Arthur that we seek.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Castledawson/Ballymaguigan/608053/

Valuation records show Arthur Grines - same spelling - in 1911 at Boveagh.
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,902
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #12 on: Monday 26 January 26 01:17 GMT (UK) »

Valuation records show Arthur Grines - same spelling - in 1911 at Boveagh.

Arthur Grines does not seem a very common name. Why so difficult to find anything? Did he move away from Ireland?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


Offline gaffy

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,187
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #13 on: Monday 26 January 26 02:15 GMT (UK) »
Just a few newspaper mentions.

Coleraine Chronicle, 30 December 1905:  MAGHERAFELT BOARD OF GUARDIANS. … The Local Government Board wrote relative to the application on behalf of Arthur Grimes for the custody of his nephew, an inmate of the workhouse, and requested to be informed of the age of the boy, and whether he was an orphan or deserted child.  Mr. Cauley said that the clergyman in Draperstown was not satisfied as to the uncle's ability to keep the child and would not give him a certificate, and the Clerk was directed to inform the Local Government Board that the conditions laid down by the Guardians as to the boy going out were not fulfilled.

Mid Ulster Mail 10 July 1909: A BOY DISCHARGED. A letter of recommendation was received from the Rev. Father Kerlin, C.C., that Arthur Grimes of Boveagh, would prove a proper guardian for his nephew, Andrew Kearns, who was an inmate of the workhouse.  He was a wise and sober man, and would set Kearns a good example. As he lived in the next townland to Grimes he would look after the interests of the boy while there.  It was resolved to give the boy to Grimes. Messrs Glover & McGuckin to prepare the necessary adoption form.

Mid Ulster Mail, 15 July 1911: SALES BY AUCTION.  … MONDAY, 31st July, at 12 o'clock, Noon, for Mr Arthur Grimes, Boveagh, who is emigrating - 3 Acres of Corn, 2 Acres of Potatoes, etc.

I also noticed the following two baptisms, see what you think.

Lissan RC parish, 29 June 1867, Sarah Jane of Charles McKearnan? & Eleanor Devlin, the word illegitimate is clearly there and I think the location after that might be meant as Muntober:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632605#page/61/mode/1up (right page)

Muntober:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/kildress/oritor/muntober/

Desertcreight RC parish, 4 December 1863, Arthur of Arthur Grimes and Ellen Devlin:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632534?locale=en#page/18/mode/1up (right page, top)

So if these are relevant, I suppose one possible scenario is that Sarah and Arthur were half siblings.  I couldn't find a marriage for Ellen and Arthur, nor one for Ellen and a "Keela".


Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,902
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #14 on: Monday 26 January 26 03:05 GMT (UK) »
Gaffy, excellent work. That moves things along quite a bit.

Ellen uses her maiden name Devlin in the 1901 census.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

Offline kieran257

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 957
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #15 on: Monday 26 January 26 03:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Thank you all so much for all your kind help. 

I found this family so hard to track.  So i am so greatful of all the help.

I can't recall now how the name Otterson fits in to my family tree.

McKernan is our family name so it fits and so does O'Neill as that would be my great grandmothers side which i know very little as she died in her 40's

I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for helping me piece this together.

Many thanks

Kieran

Offline kieran257

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 957
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #16 on: Monday 26 January 26 03:54 GMT (UK) »
Gaffy, excellent work. That moves things along quite a bit.

Ellen uses her maiden name Devlin in the 1901 census.

So is Ellen Devlin - Ellen Keele? 

Thank you

Kieran

Offline heywood

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 43,068
    • View Profile
Re: Robert Kearns
« Reply #17 on: Monday 26 January 26 09:06 GMT (UK) »
A couple of points
Thanks gaffy - great information there.
1901
Ellen Devlin 60 yrs , housekeeper b Co Londonderry
1911
Ellen ‘Keele’/‘Kela’ 80 yrs Linen Weaver b Co Tyrone

Arthur was resident in Boveagh in 1911 -revision books with previous residents, Edward McGuiggan - crossed through and Catherine McGuiggan written above.

I do wonder if Arthur is the death in the workhouse and his name just misunderstood.

Ottersons also lived in Boveagh

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk