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Re: General enquiry.
« Reply #18 on: Friday 23 January 26 12:37 GMT (UK) »
When the WW1 Medals were issued on 18 February 1921 John D Lyons was Only awarded the British War Medal
and No Victory Medal
as it was assumed India was not a Theatre of War
so his Service in the 1st South Lancashire Regt in India didn't qualify. He was awarded the 1919 Afghan Medal however
In 1923 it appears alot of his Mates in the 1st SLR applied for their Victory Medal for their Action in Theatre of War 6g in Spring 1918 against the Tribes - and they were subsequently issued 9 July 1923
John was awarded his 8 January 1924

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_against_the_Marri_and_Khetran_tribes
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Re: General enquiry.
« Reply #19 on: Friday 23 January 26 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Andy J2022 - My apologies, yes, I was referring to John. It makes sense that there would be no war diaries for the India service. I won't be in a position to get to TNA anytime soon, and as you say, there isn't much chance of any revelations I think. I'm very grateful for your help with this, so thank you once again.
Red Tom,

As you can't get to TNA to view the war diaries concerning the 1st South Lancs Regiment, perhaps this summary of operations during the Third Anglo-Afghan War may help.
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Despite German and Turkish agitation, Afghanistan remained neutral during the war, thanks in large part to British subsidies (instituted as a settlement of the second Afghan war). The end of the war brought renewed Russian interest in Afghan affairs. After the assassination of Amir Habibullah Khan (19 Feb. 1919), the army and Young Afghan Party installed his third son Amanullah as Amir. Amanullah, suspected of having plotted his father's death, diverted attention from local problems by proclaiming a jihad against Britain on 3 May 1919, capitalising on existing anti-British nationalist feeling in India. Rioting had broken out in the principal towns of the Punjab in March, including Amritsar, where on 13 Apr. 1919 Brig-Gen. Dyer had ordered Gurkha troops to open fire on an unarmed crowd. That massacre horrified not only India but much of the British public. (Dyer was dismissed after the Afghan war.) Taking advantage of the paucity of British troops, Amanullah also sought to regain the North West Frontier Province lost to Sikh expansionism in 1820-34.

     British regular forces in India consisted of only two cavalry regiments and eight infantry battalions. The rest of the British garrison were Territorial Army battalions which had been sent during the First World War to relieve regulars for the fighting on the Western Front. With the end of the war these were eager to return to civilian life, and the Commander-in-Chief India had to intervene directly to forestall the threat of mutiny.
   
Chronology
    
   1919.02.19    Habibullah Khan assassinated
   1919.02    Amanullah Khan installed as Amir
   1919.05.03    Amanullah Khan declares jihad on Britain
   1919.05.04    Afghan forces cross the Indian border, occupying a few towns
   1919.05    British and Indian forces immediately mobilised and launch a massive land and air punitive campaign to reclaim the Indian towns and invade Afghanistan through the Khyber Pass; the force applied has been likened by some historians to hitting a mosquito with a sledgehammer
   1919.05.31    Amanullah sues for an armistice
   1919.08.08    Treaty of Rawalpindi: Britain recognises Afghan independence and ends subsidies
   1921.02.28    Afghan treaty of friendship with Russia

Aftermath

By the Treaty of Rawalpindi (8 Aug. 1919, amended 22 Nov. 1921) Britain recognised Afghan independence, assured that British Indian empire would never extend beyond Khyber Pass, and ceased British subsidies to Afghanistan. Afghanistan almost immediately signed a treaty of friendship with the new Bolshevik government in Russia (28 Feb. 1921), and upgraded this on 31 Aug. 1926 to a neutrality and nonaggression pact. This pact was renewed in 1931 and 1955, but Afghanistan did not again engage in war with British India and its independent successor states.

Source: Regiments.org 
Other sources:
There is a Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Afghan_War
And this summary from 1919 - The Third Afghan War by Paul Hinson
Sadly none of these paint a detailed picture of what the 1st Battalion South Lancs were involved in. For this you would need to see the 15 Infantry Brigade war diary.
Further reading.
If you can find a copy, this regimental history is likely to cover the period in more depth: Colonel B.R. Mullaly The South Lancashire Regiment (The Prince of Wales's Volunteers). 1955 Bristol: White Swan Press.
And as I mentioned earlier in the thread the regimental museum will be an invaluable source: https://www.lancashireinfantrymuseum.org.uk/

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Re: General enquiry.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 24 January 26 10:33 GMT (UK) »
When the WW1 Medals were issued on 18 February 1921 John D Lyons was Only awarded the British War Medal
and No Victory Medal
as it was assumed India was not a Theatre of War
so his Service in the 1st South Lancashire Regt in India didn't qualify. He was awarded the 1919 Afghan Medal however
In 1923 it appears alot of his Mates in the 1st SLR applied for their Victory Medal for their Action in Theatre of War 6g in Spring 1918 against the Tribes - and they were subsequently issued 9 July 1923
John was awarded his 8 January 1924

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_against_the_Marri_and_Khetran_tribes
ALAMO2008 -Thank you for this extra info.
Calland/Campbell/Pilkington/Wignall/Varley/Briscoe

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 24 January 26 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Andy J2022 - I'm very grateful for your efforts on my behalf, thank you for your work with this.
Calland/Campbell/Pilkington/Wignall/Varley/Briscoe