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Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« on: Sunday 18 January 26 05:47 GMT (UK) »
Looking for the marriage of Alexander Graham  birth 1770 Kilninver and Kilmelford, Argyll, Scotland death 1863 Lochgilphead Argyll age stated as 86 and Ann Campbell birth ? death 1869 Island of Islay Garttoist Kilarrow Argyll age stated as 80.  I have found 3 children to this couple Arthur which is a questionable name birth circa 1821, Duncan birth 1827 and Ann birth 1829. Both Duncan and Ann died young.

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 January 26 06:26 GMT (UK) »
Looks as if there was another son named Alexander, 3 years younger than Arthur.
See 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1411d5f4040b9d6ef81fe9/alex-graham-1841-argyllshire-kilbrandon-kilchattn-1781-?locale=en

1861 census gives some different birth dates and places from your opening post.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a141a8ff4040b9d6e02e863/alexr-graham-1861-argyllshire-lochgilphead-1778-?locale=en
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 January 26 06:37 GMT (UK) »
Cannot see a marriage record for Alexander and Ann.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 January 26 07:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the census info. I haven't been able to find the births for For Arthur or the alexander you have found. Is there some records that have not been released?  :)


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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 January 26 08:20 GMT (UK) »
It is quite normal for Scottish baptism records from this time period to be incomplete - either never recorded, or the record now lost.


The son Duncan Graham born 1827 died 26 Feb 1855 in Kilbrandon and Kilchattan.

The son Arthur Graham born 1823 MARRIED 10 August 1870 in Glasgow. He married Ann Hunter.


Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 January 26 08:31 GMT (UK) »
In the 1861 census - The grandson Alexander Graham born Glasgow 1848, might be the son of John Graham and Agnes Begg (married in 1847 Glasgow).

1851 census 31 Green Street, Calton, Lanarkshire
John Graham 29 born Argylleshire, Grocer
Agnes Graham 29 Wife born Glasgow
Alexander Graham 3 son born Glasgow
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 January 26 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. So do you think that there is another child John to Alexander and Ann? That would fit into the naming pattern of the family.  :)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 January 26 09:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I think John was a son. I can't see a death for him. Possibly died before civil registration in 1855.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander Graham and Ann Campbell
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 January 26 09:33 GMT (UK) »
1861 census gives some different birth dates and places from your opening post.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a141a8ff4040b9d6e02e863/alexr-graham-1861-argyllshire-lochgilphead-1778-?locale=en
Lorn(e) is an area, not a parish. The parish of Kilninver and Kilmelfort is in Lorn(e), and Melford/Melfort is, not surprisingly, in the parish of Kilmelfort.

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Is there some records that have not been released?
In practical terms, in relation to this specific query, and barring errors or omissions, no.

Basically, all the records held by Scotland's People, and all the records held by the Scottish Catholic archives, are available on the Scotland's People web site. There are some religious denominations who hold their own records and have not (yet?) agreed to make them available on the SP web site - for example the Scottish Episcopal Church, Methodist, Congregational, Baptist, Quakers, a few minor sects, and non-Christian religions.

However the Statistical Account of Kilninver and Kilmelfort https://stataccscot.ed.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Kilninver%20and%20Kilmelfort does not mention any denomination other than the Church of Scotland being active in the parish, and the New Statistical Account says that there are a few Dissenters, but no chapel. So it would be fruitless to hope that a missing register is lurking somewhere.

The reasons why baptism and marriage records have not survived are mostly to do with omission, for example
- the parents neglected to get the child baptised
- the minister forgot to tell the session clerk
- the session clerk omitted to write the information in the register

I have read somewhere that 30% of baptisms are missing from the surviving records in the early 19th century. In my own tree I have 1055 people born in Scotland between 1820 and 1830; of these there are 262 for whom I have yet to find a baptism record. That's about one in four. And the further back you go, the more records are missing. Between 1770 and 1780, for example, a third of my baptisms are missing, and between 1720 and 1730 it's almost exactly half.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.