Can anyone help with Charles and Betsey Glover? Birmingham, 1800s

[Annie65115]

Betsey Glover married Reuben Jones in Aston in July 1850; their first child, Phoebe, was born in Nov 1850.

In the 1851 census, Betsey, Reuben and Phoebe are with B's father, Charles Glover, and Charles' wife Elizabeth, in Nicholls Place, Aston. Charles was age 47, b Marson Green,and a journeyman blacksmith; Elizabeth, also 47, b Wolverhampton. Betsey was b Birmingham and aged 22. The censuses all put her dob in the 1828-29 range.

The closest I can find for Betsey's birth is a baptism for Elizabeth in 1828 at St Philips, in Birmingham, to Charles and Mary Glover of Canal St. Charles was a coach harness furniture forger, which I'm guessing is a job for a blacksmith.

There are lots of other children baptised to Charles and Mary at St Philips; Joseph (1828), Mary Ann (1830), Martha Selina (1833), Sarah (1834), Charles (1836), Mary Selina (1839), John (1839), Rosetta (1841), Edmund Charles (1843). From Martha onwards, the address is always Pritchett St, and Charles an auger maker. I'm not so sure that an auger maker would be a blacksmith, although clearly there's overlap in those skills. MMN for the younger children was Day, and that ties with a marriage between Charles Glover and Mary Day in Handsworth on 20/8/27.

However this family is together in 1841, Charles an augur maker, with no sign of Elizabeth/Betsy. I can't see the family together in 1851 but in 1850 the son John was buried and in June 1851, son Joseph married, and the address both times was Little Ann Street (NB not the address shown for Betsey and family in the 1851 census).
 
To confuse matters, a different Charles Glover married Mary Scarlet in Aston on 29.7.27. And Charles Glover, a widower, married Elizabeth Quinton, a widow, in Birmingham in May 1836. Had Mary nee Scarlet died? But I can't see a burial for her.

So I think there were likely 2 Charles/Mary couples baptising children at least initially and I'm not convinced that Betsey's mother was Mary Day.

Hope this isn't too confusing! Can anyone see any useful baptisms/marriages/burials/censuses?

[willsy]

I couldn't pin Charles down after 1861 to try and help, but did find these records in America?

First 6 records for a Charles Glover born 1803 Warwickshire, second record has his occ. as Blacksmith on his death record, parents unknown

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u5o/

and possibly Elizabeth's death...as Elizabeth Millington Glover, parents William and Martha, spouse Charles

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u5p/

record has Elizabeth Glover
forml. I think and Millington underneath

There is a marriage of an Elizabeth Millington to George Quinton 28 Jun 1824, Edgbaston,Warwick

[hanes teulu]

Re the 1841 Census, the Pritchet Street household includes a possible Mary Day, age 70. The name has been transcribed as Dry (FindMyPast) but could very well be Day?

[Annie65115]

Willsy, good stuff, thank you!

I'm off to see if that dob ties in with any possible baptisms for Charles.

Hanesteulu, I saw that too; tht ties in nicely with that being Mary Day's family (I know the older MAry isn't listed as MIL but it seems a little too coincidental for her NOT to be related). But I suspect that's not Betsey's family.

[LizzieL]

However this family is together in 1841, Charles an augur maker, with no sign of Elizabeth/Betsy. I can't see the family together in 1851 but in 1850 the son John was buried and in June 1851, son Joseph married, and the address both times was Little Ann Street (NB not the address shown for Betsey and family in the 1851 census).
 

The last person in the same house, but separate household looks like Mary Day age 70. Could that be the mother of Mary Glover nee Day?


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Sorry, just seen that had already been posted

Unfortunately the 1841 census doesn't give relationships

[LizzieL]

If Charles was erroneously recorded as Thomas in 1841, there is this record
Piece 1147  Book number 8, Folio number 25, Page number 6

Thomas and Elizabeth both 35, Elizabeth jnr 13 and William 2. Did Charles and Elizabeth have their own child?

[LizzieL]

To confuse matters, a different Charles Glover married Mary Scarlet in Aston on 29.7.27. And Charles Glover, a widower, married Elizabeth Quinton, a widow, in Birmingham in May 1836. Had Mary nee Scarlet died? But I can't see a burial for her.

I think Mary Glover nee Scarlet was buried in Knowle in 1835
At her marriage to Charles Glover, witnesses were Adam Scarlet (X) and Ann Scarlet (signed). Two years later an Adam Scarlett married Hannah Parsons at Baddesley Cinton, a witness was the same Ann Scarlet. Looking at 1851 census Adam is born in Knowle, so I suspect that's where Mary Scarlet came from

[amondg]

If it helps.
GRO Index

Rosetta Glover reg 1841 has mother's maiden name Day
Edmund Charles reg. 1843 has mother's maiden name Day

So the 1841 Census with Charles 35, Mary 30 and children Joseph 12, Sarah 6, Mary 4 and John 2

are Charles Glover married Mary Day 17 August 1827 at St Mary's Handsworth.

[amondg]

There is a William Glover reg. 1839 Aston Union - it has no mother's maiden name but it

might be worth £3 to find out the parents re 1841 census found by LizzieL