1921 census and a birth record

[JenB]

In 1921 Violet might be in Morningside with her mother Margaret and older brother Leslie Moscrop Sim

On the results page the following are at ref 685/767/8 - you would obviously need to check the original.

James Sim aged 64
Annie Sim aged 54
Margaret Sim aged 25
Violet Sim aged 22
Charles Sim aged 18
Leslie M Sim aged 3
Violet Sim aged 0-1

[ChrissieL]

If you have access to ancestry try this link, most info pretty good, but not Violets marriage as we know different.

SS
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/117879829/person/370170003622/facts

This tree has Violet born in Gretna Green. Thomas John Kennedy Scott was born in Cummertrees, which isn't too far away from Gretna. I wonder if the families were related?
Chrissie

[softly softly]

If you have access to ancestry try this link, most info pretty good, but not Violets marriage as we know different.

SS
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/117879829/person/370170003622/facts

This tree has Violet born in Gretna Green. Thomas John Kennedy Scott was born in Cummertrees, which isn't too far away from Gretna. I wonder if the families were related?
Chrissie

Violet was actually born Royal Maternity Hospital, Edinburgh, Her father David registered the birth and recorded that he was domicil at 7 West, Gretna, his occupation--Railway Clerk.

SS

[softly softly]

A couple of thoughts and info. It appears David Sim died just over 1 month after the birth of Margaret in 1923. This would leave Margaret snr with 3 children 5 and under. I suspect she could not cope and both Violet and Margaret were unofficially adopted. Violet to the Scott's and possibly Margaret to Robert and Cassie Gate.

Margaret snr was born 8th November 1894 Brampton, Cumberland. Her mmn was Armstrong.

Only known info re Leslie is his birth, marriage and death.

SS

[JenB]

According to this record https://www.devilsporridge.org.uk/hm-factory-gretna-workers-database/name/david-sim
Violet had another sibling called David Humphrey Sim, who was born in 1920 and died in 1921 only a month or so after Violet was born. His death is recorded in Morningside, mother's maiden surname Atkinson. That was where the family were found in the 1921 census, taken only about three weeks after his death.

[Nicky]

Thank you for all the info, I am beginning to think that they were maybe related in some way and that Violets mother couldn't cope after the death of David. Most likely will never find the reason but at least I have some answers.

Much appreciated

[ChrissieL]

Just as an aside....The Devils Porridge Museum at Gretna (mentioned by JenB) is a very interesting place to visit, telling the story of the munitions workers there in WW1.  My great uncle worked there and we visited a couple of years ago.  I was able to add to their workers database from some family information that I had

Chrissie

[softly softly]

Thank you for all the info, I am beginning to think that they were maybe related in some way and that Violets mother couldn't cope after the death of David. Most likely will never find the reason but at least I have some answers.

Much appreciated

I'm not convinced or any family links between the Sims (both English born) and the Scotts (both Scottish born) The 1921 census does record that John Scott was a House painter, but his employer was H M Factory, Gretna. I tend to think they certainly knew one another and possible friends.

SS

[Nicky]

Yes that is my thinking, my mum does remember an aunty Violet, wished I'd known about this before my grandmother died, it's odd Violet took their name though? She did keep Sim as a middle name it seems