Elizabeth Hardwick

[ManchesterJohnson]

Still just a beginner at this so apologies if I don't give all the right information.

I have a couple of DNA match with whom I'm trying to establish the tree connection.

Both these matches point in the same direction, with the same shared ancestors.

Both lead back to a lady called Elizabeth Ann Hardwick, born 1838 in Leeds. She married a chap called James Waterhouse (b 1839) and they had a child called Clara Novella Waterhouse in 1860.

Ancestry Thru Lines is saying that Elizabeth Hardwick is the daughter of John Dean (b 1809 in Leeds). This John Dean is indeed in my family line so this would absolutely be the connection, but it doesn't make sense. I have Elizabeth's parents and John Dean is not it!

I do possibly have Elizabeth's mother having a first marriage to a James Dean, b 1800, however this Dean does not appear to be connected to my Deans.

Is the Thru Lines thing on ANcestry just a total guess and not worth worrying about or is it worth digging into? Can anyone else help with connecting Elizabeth Hardwick to the Deans of Leeds?

Please let em know if any other info is needed.

[wivenhoe]

Using Ancestry Yorkshire BDM records I see -

* St Peter Bradford (Bradford Cathedral)   7 Mar 1858  marriage
WATERHOUSE James          22yrs bachelor  slubber   residence Bowling
father Adam WATERHOUSE foreman

HARDWICK Elizabeth Ann   21yrs spinster    servant residence Bowling
father Benjamin HARDWICK  woodman

witnesses Samuel HOLMES  Ephraim SMITH           (all parties sign)

* Parish Church Leeds
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2252/records/7921288?
WATERHOUSE Clara Novello  born 5 Dec 1860  bapt  2 Jan 1861
ps. James, slubber / Elizabeth Ann   abode Lady Lane

[rosie99]

Ancestry Thru Lines is saying that Elizabeth Hardwick is the daughter of John Dean (b 1809 in Leeds).
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Is the Thru Lines thing on Ancestry just a total guess and not worth worrying about or is it worth digging into? Can anyone else help with connecting Elizabeth Hardwick to the Deans of Leeds?

I think they are like hints, derived from peoples trees.   

[CaroleW]

1841 census - all born in county

Benjamin Hardwick 45 beer house keeper
Hannah 35
Jane 5
Elizabeth 3
James Dean 7
Piece 1345 Book 1 Folio 15 Page 22

[CaroleW]

From Family Search but 1841 entry is definitely Hannah

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2K4-DQQ?lang=en

[rosie99]

From Family Search but 1841 entry is definitely Hannah

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2K4-DQQ?lang=en

Harriet Dean is a widow on the marriage image on FindMyPast

[CaroleW]

So James is her son from her first marriage.  Presumably that's where the error has come from re Elizabeth's father.

[ManchesterJohnson]

So James is her son from her first marriage.  Presumably that's where the error has come from re Elizabeth's father.

Thanks CaroleW, yeah I have Harriet Webster marrying James Dean. They had a child James but father James then died in 1833. Harriet then married Benjamin Hardwick. Elizabeth Hardwick was then born in 1838. This all looks sensible, and I've mapped birth certificates back through to Elizabeth.

This still leaves me unable to map these Deans back to my Deans, or understand why Ancestry is so insistent that Elizabeth Hardwick's father is John Dean!

[CaroleW]

You are looking at unproven info - probably from a badly researched tree on Ancestry of which there are hundreds.  Other people copy incorrect from those trees & that multiplies the problem. 

There are trees on Ancestry showing baptismal dates before the person was even born & death dates when they are still alive on census entries 10yrs later. 

We always advise doing your own research.