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Help Reading Map - Greytown - Jens Prebensen
« on: Wednesday 07 January 26 02:26 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year  :D

What I have discovered is my g-g-grandfather had 11 acres of freehold land at Powhatu West in Greytown. Also, his son-in-law Peter Beck had 10 acres at Powhatu West i Greytown. According to papers past Powhatu West was 84 acres in is entirety. I found a map which I will attach. I am wondering what the map is measured in? I would dearly like to figure out which section of Powhatu West they lived.

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Ashley
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Re: Help Reading Map - Greytown - Jens Prebensen
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 January 26 03:38 GMT (UK) »
Greetings Ash.

Ideally I would require a little more information, and I am more familiar with the original surveys of Auckland, South Auckland, and the Waikato.

Look for larger period maps. Do Archives NZ and Papers Past searches, just for the area of interest and locality.  Say; Pouhatu West and allotment; OR acres trying to find references, sales adds or maps that will give you the names allocated to the surveyed parcels of land when they were first registered etc.  In my area the maps will be overwritten with a Parish name, and then lot numbers. Also overwritten on the maps will be council or regional names.

Confusing when some of the original maps will have the likes of "New Munster" written on them.

What you have is a clipping. There are a number of allotments notated, and probably involving three separate surveys. Each succeeding the previous larger block.

I was starting to add up the acerage [A.R.P.] when I realized that there was a smaller subdivision, off a previous subdivision numbered 1, 2, and 3, at the top, but then below that there is a second 3 [rd] lot (bold numerals) and each of those numbered lots, also have notated their area as A R & P.

So your small clip, is probably part of the original survey, and then the three lower ones are notated with their acerage, and numbered allotment thereof. Above being three smaller lots surveyed off a previous allotment.

I could attach local examples but that would probably confuse you more and not be relevant.

Alan.

PS As we have corresponded in the past PM me if you wish. Looks like Jens is still proving to be a challenge.

Edited - Senior moment re locality,

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Re: Help Reading Map - Greytown - Jens Prebensen
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 January 26 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Ashley

If it is an old map it will be in acres, roods and perches. If there are measurements they will probably be in links. Throwback to older English land measurements.

A rood is a quarter of an acre and there are 40 perches in a rood.

There are 100 links in a chain, which is 22 yards, the length of a cricket pitch. In todays measurements it is about 20 metres.

Section 4 is 23 acres, 1 rood and 32 perches.

Ian C

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To convert links to metres multiply by 0.201168.
eg 100 links x 0.201168 = 20.1168 metres.
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Re: Help Reading Map - Greytown - Jens Prebensen
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 January 26 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Again.

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE5312966

With luck the link will take you to an early survey map of Greytown. But possibly not covering what is referred to as West Greytown. I do not know the area.

There are other location clues. The little clip that you have shows two types of boundary. A long dash on one front, and a long dash separated by a short one on the other. Note on the link map provided, the lines marking the river boundary, and the other a district / block boundary.

Happy hunting.

Alan.

PS I am blind. Too late at night. Right click and roll to zoom in. Look to the left and slightly above the word URUOKAKITI.  Bingo

Your titles of interest will probably start Tararahi Plains Block 14 then list subdivison number and allotmant number/s.

Alan.

PPS.  The original Powhatu West Block, survey plan of 1879/1880 by Surveyor H T BROWNE is held by the Wellington branch of Archives NZ.

The reference number is R23975986. And if you ask our Moderator he may offer to look it up, and photograph it for you.

Alan.

Added a day later. R24006073 is the Archives NZ reference number for the TIFFIN survey map of the Wairarapa area, dated 1896-1889, and is available to view at the Wellingtoin branch. Or via the link above, which I found online when searching for Wairarapa maps.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 January 26 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Morning Ashley.

Best I can do. Played with maps longer than I should have, as I have a farm water supply problem that needs fixing.

Attached a clip from the survey map, and another aerial one of the present, covering approximately the same area.

Alan.

Replaced notated 2026 image
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 January 26 01:06 GMT (UK) »
Morning Ashley.

Best I can do. Played with maps longer than I should have, as I have a farm water supply problem that needs fixing.

Attached a clip from the survey map, and another aerial one of the present, covering approximately the same area.

Alan.

Replaced notated 2026 image

Thank you Alan, those images were very helpful indeed :) I will contact archives and see if they wouldn't mind taking a look into their record. Just from my observation, my thought is that the smaller 3 sections at the top, with no measurements, look to have a combined area of about 20 acres. Though I did find a version of a map (attached) that Powhatu is divided differently.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 January 26 03:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Ashley.

The 2nd attachment is exactly the same BLOCK of land, but from a latter period in time. It has indications of buildings notated plus owner or lease holder's names.

As stated in my first post there appeared to have been subdivision, with the original lots 1 and 2, having been re-subdivided into 4 titles. The three smaller titles facing Papawai Road could well be what you are looking for. In error.

Added Edit : Archives reference R24617612 has John SKEET purchasing allotment 3 POWHATU EAST of 12a, for eight pounds per acre, in 1903. And that is the largest lot with the stream boundary for egress of Fabians Road if 1, 2 & 3 comprised a holding.

Allotment 3 POWHATA survey block was advertised for sale in the Wairarapa Daily Times 22/7/1893, page 3 at 17a 3rods. 

I also searched through Archives NZ holdings using several search options but did not have much luck.

Alan

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 January 26 04:26 GMT (UK) »
And again Ashley.

Further searching of Archives NZ holdings have found proof that the top left allotment numbered 3 was of 12 acres. I think, though yet to be clear on what was East and West Powhatu Block, unless that was used to distunguish the allotment resurvey numbers with the block

 4 results matching Powhatu between 1875-2026 | Archway-style Collections Search

Alan.

PS will supply link privately because I have been unsuccessful in transferring.

PPS Some Archives clippings sent privately re above research.
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 08:36 »
ATTENTION Dear Moderator SPADES

Could you assist?

Ashley, and I, are interested in knowing if the Wellington Archives NZ held item R24617612

Has any detailed plans attached. It could be the 12 acre property Ashley is looking to identify.

Subject; Removal of restrictions on Powhatu East No 3 for sale of 12 acres to John SKEET.

Mr John SKEET being a prominent land owing identity, with the local firing range on his property which was across Fabian’s Road from the title named above.

Alan.

PS reply #4.  Just spotted a senior moment.  The bottom right credit should read .... a mile and a half EAST of GREYTOWN; and as some early sale adverts said ... a mile and a half WEST of Papawai.
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