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Royal Munster Fusiliers - enlisted in Glasgow?
« on: Tuesday 06 January 26 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I have been looking for the War record for a family member for a while and think i may have found him. Would this have been usual to join an irish regiment? This is his detailsName Thomas McPhee
[Thomas Mc Phee]
Gender Male
Rank Private
Record Type Military
Birth Date 1886
Residence Place Govan, Glasgow
Military Service Region Scotland, Scotland
Military Country Scotland
Discharge Date 31 Jan 1919
Service Number 6/2946
Corps, Regiment or Unit R. Muns Fusiliers
Service Branch Military (Army)
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number 1/Mm/7016
Next of Kin (Name)
Thomas McPhee

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Re: Royal Munster Fusiliers - enlisted in Glasgow?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 January 26 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Thomas McPhee joined the Royal Munster Regiment on 8 September 1914, so very soon after the start of the war, as part of the Kitchener New Army. He would have volunteered and was not conscripted, so he would have had a choice about the Regiment which he joined. Therefore if this Thomas McPhee is the one who was born in Govan, then I would expect that he may have had a family connection with the Munsters, or perhaps they just happened to be actively recruiting in Glasgow at around that time.
It appears that he joined the 6th Service Battalion and went initially to Gallipoli, arriving there on 7 Aug 1915. But as the Gallipoli campaign wound down, the battalion moved to Palestine where they remained until March 1916 when they were moved to France, and the majority of the men of the 6th Battalion were used to reconstitute the 2nd Battalion. However if the hospital records are correct, Thomas was not one of those who transferred at that time. In early 1918 while still in B Company 6th R Munster Regt, he was twice admitted to 19th General Hospital, firstly suffering from scabies, and then a boil of his right buttock. From hospital he was sent back to the Command Depot and it was probably at this point that he was transferred to the 2nd Battalion R Munster Regt, and was with them during the so-called 100 day offensive which started in September 1918, and lead to him being shot in the hand during an operation to capture the town of Catelet. He was hospitalised on 5 Oct and probably did not return to his unit before the Armistice was declared on 11 November. As you know, he was discharged from the Army on 31 Jan 1919 as being no longer physically fit for war service. In addition to the 1915 Star and the British War and Victory medals, he also received a Silver War Badge No. B145002.

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Re: Royal Munster Fusiliers - enlisted in Glasgow?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 January 26 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Andy J2022,
I am very impressed with your detailed reply - thank you for spending the time looking at this for me.
Thomas was the oldest child in the McPhee family. In the 1901 census in Glasgow he is 16 - after that i can't find out much about him. He had 3 brothers John 8, Patrick 5, Malcolm 1 and a sister Catherine 3 - all on the 1901 census.
I don't know much of Thomas's whereabouts after the 1901 census but sadly more about the other children. All 3 brother's perished in WW1. It was the first place i looked for in the CWGC and they were all killed in action. John (argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) in 1917 France (aubigny) He was listed as James for some reason but i have contacted cwgc to have it changed. Patrick 7th batallion Cameronians killed 1918 France (Buissy) and Malcolm 1/7th Highland Light Infantry killed 1918 France (Ligny sur Canche).
Sister Catherine married but never had any children. All in all quite a sad affair. Do you know if any details of address anywhere or next of kin in the information you found?
Thanks again for helping.

As i said Thomas disappears and is not seen again until he marries in 1921.

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Re: Royal Munster Fusiliers - enlisted in Glasgow?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 January 26 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, none of the documents I looked at (all were on FindMyPast) included any civilian details.


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Re: Royal Munster Fusiliers - enlisted in Glasgow?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 January 26 22:28 GMT (UK) »
No problem, you found much more out than me. The hospital details are very interesting and he is a lucky man to escape with his life.
I only need now to look at the WWI Pension Record Card Reference Number 1/Mm/7016 to see his details. Ancestry prints the details but leaves the blurred image.
The Thomas McPhee could be my grandfather - he was born to his mother Catherine McPhee by another man - David Beveridge who abandoned her but registered himself as the father.
I didn't want to confuse things on my first post.
He knew himself as McPhee as per the census age16 but i'm not sure when he changed to his birth name except when he got married in 1921 aged 35 (bachelor). So a lot things fit for him to be Thomas McPhee. he died in 1932 when my dad was 8.
thanks again,