Ideas on tracing four Staffordshire brothers, possibly gone to USA

[K127]

Hello all and happy new year to you. A longshot but I wonder if anyone has any ideas about how to further trace four brothers from Staffordshire?

Herbert John Carnall (b1839), Henry (1840), Albert (1842) & Edmu/ond (1846), four brothers from Longton, Staffordshire. Parents James and Sarah Jane. They have other siblings but when trying to trace what happened to these four I'm struggling. They seem to vanish around the 1871 census, and their wives all later are living with their own relatives and then remarry.

I then found one article about Herbert John from 1872 saying he'd abandoned his wife and moved to the US. I'm trying to work out if the brothers all went together? Unfortunately I'm not finding much in the US.  I only have Ancestry and not sure how thorough that is for US records.

A longshot, like I said, but posting here in case anyone has any suggestions. Thank you!

[heywood]

Family Search has census and other records to check.
There is this Herbert Carnell in New Jersey in 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN8N-9DX?lang=en

There are other family records for him.

[gc1]

There is a tree on Family Search that has this

Herbert John Carnall
Birth: 1839 Longton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 20 May 1872 Stone, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom

Wife listed as Emily Birch???
Birth: 1840 Longton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 1880 Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom

Father James Carnall
Mother Sarah Jane Barker

Hope this helps,

Edit
Tree also has
Edmund Carnall
Birth: April 1846 Stone, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 1922 Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey, United States

Henry and Albert are listed as deceased but no details Sorry

[K127]

 Heywood - thank you, I will check out that tree in FamilySearch. Fingers crossed I can find them all somewhere in the US.

GC1 - there are a few family trees on Ancestry that have Herbert dying in the UK in the 1870s but none of those are him as when I check in GRO the ages are wrong. The 1872 one is a newborn, sadly. His wife is Emily Birch though.

[softly softly]

Believe this is Hebert in 1880 US census.

Herbert Carnell Self Married 39 b England  see occupation
Elizabeth Carnell Wife 34 b New York
Sarah E. Carnell Daughter 8 b New Jersey
Lottie J. Carnell Daughter 6 b New Jersey
Ida M. Carnell Daughter 4 b New Jersey
Richard J. Carnell   Son 2 b New Jersey

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sorry heywood, you already posted.

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1900 census
Elizabeth   Carnall   Self   Widowed   Female   55   1845   New York
Sarah E   Carnall   Daughter   Single   Female   28   1872   New Jersey
Charlotte J   Carnall   Daughter   Single   Female   26   1874   New Jersey
Ida May   Carnall   Daughter   Single   Female   24   1876   New Jersey
Richard J   Carnall   Son   Single   Male   22   1878   New Jersey

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added

Herberts death & wife *+ children*

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z737-96PZ?lang=en

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ6S-K4S?lang=en

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170192243/herbert-carnall

*     https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170192063/samuel-littler-carnall

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Possibly Edmund/Edward in 1880 US census.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YB7-JP6?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMN8K-248&action=view&lang=en&groupId=

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CARNALL, EDMUND       mmn BARKER 
GRO Reference: 1846  J Quarter in STONE  Volume 17  Page 23

Probable death

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119241099/edward-o-carnall

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CARNAL, ALBERT       mmn BARKER 
GRO Reference: 1842  S Quarter in STONE  Volume 17  Page 196

Possibly 1900 us census. with son and family. The son born Canada so Albert snr may have gone to Canada before going to the US

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QN9-TDB?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM3QY-K7T&action=view&lang=en&groupId=M9L5-Q3G

added--possibly Albert in 1881  canada census

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=http%3A%2F%2Fdata2.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2Fe%2Fe327%2Fe008159659.jpg&parentid=CAN%2FCENSUS%2F1881%2F03960666