Thornton Arthur Ernest

[heywood]

This is not much help really, but I thought I would post anyway.
I can’t find the family in 1901 and 1911.
However, in 1921, there is a granddaughter, Irene M Thornton. Presumably she is a daughter of Caroline or Margaret?

GRO has her birth as Irene May Halleren Thornton - no mother’s surname.

When she marries in Oldham in 1925, she marries with that full name but gives her father as ‘Arthur Thornton’, soldier deceased.
It would seem as though she has combined two men - uncle Arthur and perhaps Mr Halleren, was a soldier.

[rosie99]

Thanks for that SoftlySoftly! that is definitely the right one so good to see an actual certificate!
Regards Smithy

In case you are unaware some birth and death certificate copies like the one SS has provided are available from the GRO as a digital image for £3,  they are available immediately 

[softly softly]

Hi Rosie99, unfortunately there were two Arthur Ernest Thorntons born about the same time I think this one in NorthBucks  married Annie Wenman, I suspect this one may not be the same as the one from Sts and Oldham. Thank you so much for taking the time to look
Regards
Smithy
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Smithy, On this occasion I think you are incorrect in your thinking, I can see why you think as you have. Whilst the marriage of Arthur E Thornton to Annie Wenman took place in Winslow, Bucks this is not your Arthur. They married there as this was Elizabeth's home parish.

Births Jun 1896   
Wenman    Elizabeth Annie        Winslow    3a   780

Births Jun 1890   
Thornton    Arthur Ernest        Watford    3a   552        dob 25th April 1890.

1921 Arthur by himself--occupation casual Lather as per 1911 census
        Elizabeth Annie with son (John Tassy Thornton) at her parents in Winslow recorded as Thoruton

war register

Ernest A   Thorton   25 Apr 1889   Male   Lather Hand   Married

The 3 children on the war register are all Thornton/Wenman births.


Death

Deaths Mar 1958   
THORNTON    Ernest A    67    Watford    4b   342

Probate below.  Address as per war register

So I believe the death found originally is correct.

SS

[softly softly]

Final offering, believe Arthur can be found in war register at

20 Carrington Road, Aylesbury, Aylesbury M.B., Buckinghamshire, England

FindMyPast has---Carrest A (Arthur E)

In 1921 he would appear to have an engineering background and war register is similar.

SS

[smithy]

Hi Rosie99, unfortunately there were two Arthur Ernest Thorntons born about the same time I think this one in NorthBucks  married Annie Wenman, I suspect this one may not be the same as the one from Sts and Oldham. Thank you so much for taking the time to look
Regards
Smithy

Smithy, On this occasion I think you are incorrect in your thinking, I can see why you think as you have. Whilst the marriage of Arthur E Thornton to Annie Wenman took place in Winslow, Bucks this is not your Arthur. They married there as this was Elizabeth's home parish.

Births Jun 1896   
Wenman    Elizabeth Annie        Winslow    3a   780

Births Jun 1890   
Thornton    Arthur Ernest        Watford    3a   552        dob 25th April 1890.

1921 Arthur by himself--occupation casual Lather as per 1911 census
        Elizabeth Annie with son (John Tassy Thornton) at her parents in Winslow recorded as Thoruton

war register

Ernest A   Thorton   25 Apr 1889   Male   Lather Hand   Married

The 3 children on the war register are all Thornton/Wenman births.


Death

Deaths Mar 1958   
THORNTON    Ernest A    67    Watford    4b   342

Probate below.  Address as per war register

So I believe the death found originally is correct.

SS
[/quote] Hi SS, I have Arthur on the 1921 census with his mother Matilda and niece Irene living at 122 Cranbrook Rd. Oldham.(RG15/Piece No.19795)
The other Arthur Ernest Married Annie E. Wenman in 1918.
Thanks so much for the look ups you have done
Regards,
Smithy

[smithy]

Background information

Lottie Matilda Bowdler married James Gardner 1870 Reg. Clun
They had Louisa re. 1871  reg. Clun

Matilda moves in with James Thornton circa 1874
They had John James Thornton reg. 1875 Wolverhampton he died age 19 Buried 10 April 1896 of Spinks Buildings.
Thomas Luke Thornton 1877 he married Jane Short 1902 he died 1935

*James Thornton marries Matilda Gardner 1880 reg. Wolverhampton
Caroline Matilda Thornton 1881 married Frederick Bardsley 7 march 1903
Margaret Jane Thornton 1883
Frederick Walter Thornton 1886 bap 10 December 1885
Arthur Ernest Thornton 1889  bap 17 February 1889
Adelaide Daisy Thornton 1891  died 1892 age 0

The illegitimate grand dauggghter Irene May Halloran Thornton reg. 1901 married Cecil Graham 1926 reg. Oldham Lancs.

Hi amondg.Thanks so much for the lookups yes I do have that information
Regards
Smithy

[cath151]

I tought a possible good candidate too (see Softly's post above) was the Ernest Arthur Thornton living at 20 Carrington Road with the Wheeler family b 4 Nov 1889.
He is still at that address in at least 1956 according to electoral registers.
Described in a funeral notice for Leonard George Wheeler in 1943 as a friend.

Cathy
Still on list there in 1967 with a Kate E Wheeler but not 1968. Down as Arthur Ernest Thornton. Possibly in Redfield old people's home in Winslow in 1968, would be interesting to see if that might be the Arthur who died in 1969.