The Fultons brickwall

[Ann Baker]

Hi All

This one is horrible - I've looked and looked for 20+ years and got not very far at all. It's a bit of a multi ask because it covers 3 generations so let me explain.

John Fulton was my gt x3 grandfather. He married Henrietta Dollar (don't know where or when). His son Robert is my current mystery man.

Robert married Janet Faulds in 1843 in Barony, Glasgow (Janet was from Bridgeton). They had several children some of which didn't make it past infancy sadly.

What am I trying to find out?

1. I can't find any baptism for Robert. Apart from 1861 where there is no census return (see below) he was consistent throughout with his age and saying he was born in Beith Ayrshire ( not a record for him to be found, not just in Beith). This all points to being born c 1818. He died in Bridgeton in 1886 and I have his death cert.

2. Robert's children. He married Janet Faulds in 1843 (Barony) but according to the census they seemed to move about a wee bit and kids not all born there. They had 9 children in all but 4 of them didn't make it past infancy and those are the ones I'm trying to find.

On daughter Agnes born 1855's birth cert it states 1 living daughter (that's Henrietta named after her grandma Henrietta Dollar) who was born 1845 and 3 x deceased males and 1 x deceased female. Then there's a gap where the missing 3 males and 1 female who didn't make it are. The next is Agnes 1 1855 followed by Mary, George and another Agnes who was born in Rutherglen and Robert is described again as a foundry labourer (Agnes 2 born 1866 is my gt x 2).

So I'm trying to find out who the 4 were who didn't make it and George's baptism. This is where it gets odd.

3. Robert came from a weaving community in Ayrshire but then appears in Glasgow as a foundry worker. That bit I'm assuming he moved to get work as a lot did in the mid 1880s.However his daughter Mary born in 1859 was born in Liverpool. And then George born 1861/62 in Ireland (no idea where and can't find him but might explain why there's no census for them for 1861).

Why would someone move away from Glasgow where there must have been work given Glasgow's proximity to the Lanarkshire coalfields elsewhere at that time? That one is a mystery as this family don't have any obvious Irish connections.

Sorry that was a bit of a ramble. It's all a bit complicated and I hope I've explained it properly.

Thanks

Ann

[wivenhoe]

"Robert married Janet Faulds in 1843 in Barony, Glasgow "

Do you see this family in the 1851 Census?.  Can you give the names ages, birthplaces and address of the 1851 Census entry.

Do you see this family in the 1871 Census?.  Can you give the names ages, birthplaces and address of the 1871 Census entry.

You have a birth record for Agnes, daughter of Robert FULTON and Janet, 1855?
Can you list all the information on this document please....everything on the document please.

[Ann Baker]

Hi

1851 listing

Family living at 38 Cheapside Street, Glasgow.

Robert Fulton aged 32, Labourer Foundry born Ayr, Beith
Janet Fulton aged 26 born Lanarkshire Barony
Henrietta aged 6, Scholar, born Lanarkshire Barony

1871

Family living 131 Canning St, Calton Parish, Glasgow

Robert Fulton aged 53, Labourer Foundry, born Ayrshire, Beith
Janet aged 46 (Wife) Millworker, Born Lanarkshire, Glasgow
Mary, Daughter aged 12, Scholar, Born England (I have found a record for her in Liverpool)
George, Son aged 10, Scholar, Born Ireland
Agnes, Daughter aged 4, Scholar, born Rutherglen (This is Agnes 2 my gt x 2 grandma)


Birth record for Agnes

Born 8/9/1866, 81 king St Rutherglen, county of Lanark.

Parents Robert Fulton - Foundry Labourer
Janet Fulton (MS Foulds)
Married 1843 June 22nd Glasgow

On the 1881 Janet & Robert were still living at 131 Canning St. Her age is reported as 56 (born Glasgow) and Robert 63 (Still stating born Beith Ayrshire)

Mother signed it

Registrar Archibald Gilchrist and registered 24/9/1866 at Rutherglen

Thanks

Ann

[wivenhoe]

 I think you have an 1855 birth record_?

Can you list all the information on the 1855 birth certificate.

[Ann Baker]

1855 one - won't let me upload the snippet but I have already given you the info from there in opening post.

Only thing I didn't say was it's recorded as thier 6th child. Henrietta is the first. So it's the 4 in the gap that are missing.

[David Nicoll]

Hi,

    Have you looked for Robert’s siblings and his Mother?
    She seems to be in the 1841 and 1851 Census records, dying after 1855.
    His siblings also, fairly straightforward, search Fulton, mmn Dollar on Scotlands People.

Happy Hunting

[Ann Baker]

Hi

Yes I have and that's even more elusive. His mum is Henrietta Dollar. Not as simple as you suggest cos you search and nada. I have many times! I've been using SP since it launched what seems like a very long time ago - not a newbie to using it.

Thanks

Ann

[David Nicoll]

Hi,

Henrietta Fulton - 45 - 1841 - Barony
Henrietta Fulton - 62 - 1851 - Barony

Henrietta Dollar - 70 - 1858 - Partick

Robert Fulton - 68 - 1886 - Bridgeton
George Fulton - 56 - 1882 - Milton
Helen Fulton - 79 - 1903 - Gorbals

I would say these are all relevant?

[Ann Baker]

They are thank you I already have these