Isle of Man miners in North West Durham

[Elliven]

Molly C,

That sounds reasonable but my first reference to this pub was 30 years or so before these streets were built and the Isle of Man area was named on an OS map 20 years before that.  I don't know the answer but, unfortunately, your answer cannot be right.  Thank you for trying.

Neville

[AlanBoyd]

I have recently come across an old newspaper advertisement announcing that a man intended to apply for a full public house licence for a beerhouse he owned in Stanley, North West Durham.

What was the date? What was the name of the man?

[hanes teulu]

Only sighting of "Isle of Man" beerhouse/inn/pub to date - Blaydon Courier, 3 Oct 1914
Not mentioned in Kelly's 1890 Directory
https://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/220653/rec/8

[Elliven]

hanes teulu

That's put the cat among the pigeons!  What is shown on that map predates the pub by 20 years and the streets by 50 years but it proves, or at least strenghthens the point made by JenB and AlanBoyd about no manx workers living there when the streets were built.

The place was very small and could have been a hamlet or a farm.  There is much research still to be done!

Neville

[Elliven]

JenB, hanes teulu, Alan Boyd

This is beginning to get really fascinating!  The information you have provided shows that JenB and AlanBoyd were right when they said there was no evidence of Isle of Man people living in the Manx streets and hanes teulu has shown that Isle of Man was a recognised place on the OS map surveyed in 1851.  There were also references as far back as the 1841 Census.  So now, I will try to seek out an historic reason for the place name.

As JenB rightly said, Havanah was a place.  It was a small hamlet sited behind what is now the top of Front Street in Stanley but there is nothing visible other than the Iceland supermarket and its car park.  Until Durham Unitary Council took over, a few years ago, it was the electoral ward that covered Stanley town centre.  The origin of that name is also unknown but possibly a relic of an old war probably against the Spanish.

Correction: AlanBoyd mentioned 1805 baptisms (thanks JenB for noticing my error)

Neville

[JenB]

  There were also references as far back as the 1841 Census.

Earlier than that - see Alan's post #16 in which he mentions the name being recorded in an 1805 baptism

[Elliven]

AlanBoyd,

The man's name was John Charlton (locally born) the pub was The Isle of Man and it was dated 1872.  He tried for a full licence for his beerhouse in 1872, again in 1873 and finally got it in 1877.  He bought the pub from a lady named Margaret Ann Swinburne of whom I know nothing.

Sorry for the delayed reply, somehow I missed your original post

Neville

[MollyC]

The alternative is an example of what I term "distant land names".  I think they are usually a product of enclosure, but may be earlier in places.  That is, farmers were allotted parcels of common which they were expected to plough up and fence, and these places were at some distance from the existing settlement.  Having no old field names they acquired humourous references to their distance, e.g.
Botany Bay, California, Greenland, Isle of Skye, Isle of Wight, New York, North America, Rhodesia, World's End.

These are all real places, some names found more than once, some with later settlements, so I could add Isle of Man to the list.

[Elliven]

JenB

Thanks for that correction.  I have amended it on the actual post.

Neville