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A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« on: Monday 29 December 25 18:09 GMT (UK) »
I have a Abraham Allen born June 1768 who was a horse dealer living in Bordesley Green he married a Elizabeth Smith born 1780 on 09/03/1819 at St Peter and St Paul's in Aston, they had a son Abraham born in 1824 and Baptised 01/04/1824 I am progressing quietly with Abraham's side of the family but cannot find any records regarding Elizabeth's father Pharaoh at least I think it is her father as a Pharaoh Smith is a witness at the wedding ! am I presuming to much in thinking it is her father ? either way I have failed to find a Pharaoh living in Birmingham any help appreciated..
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 December 25 18:45 GMT (UK) »
There is a Pharoah Smith who was buried on 30th December 1827 age 51 (born c1776)- abode Mount Street, Deredend - buried St Mary's, Birmingham

A possible baptism at St Bartholomew, Wednesbury, Staffordshire on 3rd March 1776 - parents Joseph and Elizabeth
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 December 25 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Another sighting of Pharaoh Smith in Mount Street

11 November 1822: Aris's Birmingham Gazette
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[Auction Announcement]
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LOT III. All that piece of Land, situate in Mount-street, Bordesley aforesaid, containing 441 square yards, or thereabouts, with five Messuages and Outbuildings erected thereon, in the respective occupations of James Taylor, — Reynolds, John Aston, Simeon Cater, and Pharaoh Smith, as tenants at will...

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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 12:40 GMT (UK) »
There is a Pharoah Smith who was buried on 30th December 1827 age 51 (born c1776)- abode Mount Street, Deredend - buried St Mary's, Birmingham

A possible baptism at St Bartholomew, Wednesbury, Staffordshire on 3rd March 1776 - parents Joseph and Elizabeth

It is possible going by the age of this Pharoah that he is a sibling or cousin of Elizabeth, what do you think  :-\
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 December 25 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Well that sounds pretty likely the wedding is between Abraham Allen a Batchelor and Elizabeth Smith a spinster both sign with a cross, the witnesses are Pharaoh Smith who signs his own name and a Mary Smith who signs with a mark so possibly as you suggest and I think highly likely that these 2 could be the bride's Brother and sister, given the age at death of your Pharoah it is possibly the brother, Wednesbury is close to Hill Top West Brom and Brum not that this proves anything  so thank you just need to see if I can link the Wednesbury event with Elizabeth is their also a Mary baptised at St Bartholomew ? to parents Joseph and Elizabeth.. spelling is slightly different but it is I think an unusual name anyway, regarding the Auction and its location it seems to identify a Pharaoh Smith in the Bordesley area, thanks you very much I have something more to go on, interesting that he signed his own name on the Wedding Cert and appears to be on a Tenancy would you think this signifies someone with a level of education.. well done Guys thank you..   

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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 December 25 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Pharaoh SMITH to Eleanor BENTLEY 20 Nov 1797, All Saints, West Bromwich
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Bapts of children there also Wednesbury 1797-1813
On one Pharoah is a Auger Maker

I can see his Bapt 1776 but cant see a sister Elizabeth born c 1780 with same parents.
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 December 25 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure about Elizabeths age?
If born c 1780 she would be 39 if married 1819
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 December 25 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Abraham/Elizabeth also bapt a GEORGE 27 Oct 1827, abode Mount St, Father a Horse Dealer
Image on Anc.
The bapt above is a Daughter of GEORGE/MARY Smith, abode Mount St, Father a Brass founder

Maybe the Mary Marriage witness?
Worth investigating.
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Re: A Pharaoh in Birmingham
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 31 December 25 12:29 GMT (UK) »
This is  Elizabeth I am pretty sure in 1841;
Birmingham;
Elizabeth Allen 35 Green Grocer, Not born in County
John Allen 20 Green Grocer
Abraham Allen 15
Leah Allen 20
All but Elizabeth born in County


Abraham Jnrs Marriage is on FreeREG 1849 Wednesbury, Staffs
He is a Green Grocer**, Father ABRAHAM a Horse Dealer
Elizabeth ALLEN a witness
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