A Pharaoh in Birmingham

[trish1120]

Ok, 1851 John Allen has married
Mother Elizabeth is still a Green Grocer, Widow, born c Tipton, Staffordshire

Marriage is 1850 Handsworth but a little out as Father Abraham is down as a Gardener as is John.
Mary Smith a witness

1861/1871 John is a Fruiterer.

Anyhow see what you think.

[jibhauler14]

I am having my doubts about the birth dates if they married in 1819 Abraham would have been 51 and Elizabeth as you say 38 but the Pharaoh who married Eleanor Bentley did have a daughter Elizabeth born in 1800 and a daughter Mary born in 1803 so if this is the Elizabeth she would have been 19 which seems more reasonable, There seems to have been a proliferation (today's word) of Abraham Allen's so I think I have to re visit the details on Abraham may be a son of Abraham married Elizabeth, my copy of the marriage lines unfortunately does not mention the father of the groom, there are shop keepers in the mix will have to check the trade directories, regarding the Bham Gazette are there fee copies anywhere, thank you all for the information the truth could be in there some where..

[trish1120]

ABRAHAM Allen bapt 5 Nov. 1798 Saint Martin, Birmingham to ABRAHAM/SARAH

Burial;
Abraham Allen
Age   40
Burial Date 31 Jan. 1841
Burial Place Bordesley, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire

Image has abode as Edgbaston St, Birmingham

Same address as 1841 Census I posted

[trish1120]

You may not agree but to me this is the line;

Abraham bapt 1798 to Abraham/Sarah
Married Elizabeth Smith 1819
2 children bapt Abraham 1825, born 1824 and George 1827
1841 Census has a Leah and John also but cant see bapts for them
Abraham dies 1841 before 1841 Census
Elizabeth is a Green Grocer 1841 Census and later and has a John/Abraham/Leah living with her

1851 Elizabeth is born c 1796 Tipton, Staffordshire
Son John c 1819 Birmingham now married


John/Esther Allen bapt a Son Pharoah Abraham Allen 1859 (on census just Abraham)

Birth Reg;
ALLEN, PHAROAH  ABRAHAM mmn SABELL 
GRO Reference: 1859  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 43

Death Regs;

ALLIN, ABRAHAM age   40 
GRO Reference: 1841  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 210

ALLEN, LEAH age 25 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 225

[trish1120]

GEORGE Allen Burial  28 November 1830
Birmingham, Warwickshire, age 3*

[jibhauler14]

Very confusing just found a Abraham Allen aged 70 a widow in 1841 census living in Alcester St, Aston, son John is aged 20 and a horse dealer. daughter Hannah Squelch (ma name) aged 25 a Green Grocer, another son John aged 13 and a daughter Emma 11, plus a Abraham son of Joseph and Hannah was baptised in Kingsnorton 24/06/1768

So I have an Abraham with a son who is a horse dealer and a daughter who is a green grocer lots of coincidences, need to collate and eliminate I think.. I also have a Abraham Allen dies in 3rd quarter 1860 if I could find the 1851 census that might help, thanks for all the help